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Post by Del Boy on Apr 28, 2020 19:26:09 GMT
The Dalton films are rubbish but is that down to Tim ? I can't say it is. The scripts are crap no matter who is Bond. The rot had set in with A View To A Kill and they should have learned the lessons of changing actors in the lead role and taken time to get it right and made sure the movie was a winner in terms of script and balance with all the other stuff. That didn't happen. The one of his where he is outside the service for most of the movie is partly being rehashed for Craigs latest lash up. I agree with you Steve and I like Daniel Craig . He is a good Bond and thought Casino Royale is fantastic. Skyfall was half a good movie with a stupid ending. The CGI is terrible in his movies and spoils them as its grossly poor in quality. The one of his that ends with the house of commons on fire looks like a cheap episode of Dr Who not a big budget movie. And how many times will they rebuild that DB5 for god sakes
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Post by Cartman on Apr 28, 2020 19:33:31 GMT
Roger Moore all the way for me. I haven't actually seen the last two as I don't like Daniel Craig in the role at all.
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 28, 2020 20:05:51 GMT
Connery Sean's films were groundbreaking and were the right mix of uber cool 60s backdrop set with the right amount of tech and violence. They are faithful to the original stories by Fleming. They have aged remarkably well to me also. It was a far harder job to pick up the pieces of a job someone had done fantastically before you. Many wouldn't take that on but enter The Clothes Peg. Lazenby The much derided George Lazenby is really good in his one outing considering its his debut. Critics were not happy but I think it was raw after Sean departed and George took the flak for that. Having watched OHMSS on its 50th anniversary i think its aged well. Moore I like Roger Moore's Bond and for me it's a fag paper between him and Connery for the best as far as this is possible. Unfortunately for Roger, Live and Let Die, The Man With The Golden Gun, Moonraker and A View To A Kill are weaker scripts than the 60s films. There's nothing he can do about that and this is an example why many give Sean the nod. Fortunately for Mr Moore he got out after A View To A Kill (and should have left that dog of a film alone )Roger bailed a film too late but did the right thing as worse was to come. I grew up in this era and love all these films even though the 60s ones are better than a few as mentioned. Dalton Timothy Dalton's films are possibly the worst scripts of the whole lot and again you can't blame the actor for that certainly not anything to do with Tim portrayal . Brosnan As for Mr Brosnan's films unfortunately none have aged well. Even the title songs on those from this era apart from Tina Turner's effort are crud. Despite a big budget and special effects technology doing wonders in the industry these movies suffer from yet more poor scripts and all had a penchant for ludicrous baddies with even worse accents and far fetched technology. Invisible XK8 anyone? Do me a favour. Piers did after that and bailed. That leads me onto Craig. Craig Craig's debut was great. A change of direction to make things more realistic was a shot in the arm for the franchise. I read it sought to take Connery's Bond but update the surroundings . I think Casino Royale achieves that . For the first time since Octopussy in 1983 a really good Bond movie was made. Unfortunately for him it went south on the very next movie, a Quantom Of Dog Shite followed and if that wasn't bad enough a mixture of pony scripts and awful CGI infused follow ups let alone the terrible replacements for other major characters has all but left the Bond series on life support. A touch of the Brosnans is back in the later Craig movies too and I fear(hope) this next outing will kill this franchise off because it's completely spent . We all know that won't happen though because even the worst dog of a Bond film makes money. OHMSS is not a bad film, frankly better than the rather camp Diamonds and GL was better than the critics say as you mentioned. I didn't think the Dalton films were that bad but yes he didn't get the script he deserved. I prefer them to any post Spy Who Loved Me RM film. Ray guns in space I can do without. Brosnan we should delete from the archive. Craig's first was a belter, great pre and post credits action. Then downhill faster than Lazenby skiing in OHMSS.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Apr 28, 2020 20:07:09 GMT
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 28, 2020 20:16:55 GMT
Well, who could argue with that? Apart from Gene, the Saint and most of the rest of the squad I suppose .................
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Post by Vienna on Apr 28, 2020 20:49:07 GMT
Looking through Halliwell's Film Guide from 2005, I see that Connery's Bond films get decent ratings, generally 2 to 3 stars (good to very good). However, Moore's struggle to get 1 (average). The Spy Who Loved Me doesn't receive any and is described as "A witless spy extravaganza in muddy colour, with the usual tired chases..."
Only someone's opinion, of course.
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 28, 2020 21:12:32 GMT
Looking through Halliwell's Film Guide from 2005, I see that Connery's Bond films get decent ratings, generally 2 to 3 stars (good to very good). However, Moore's struggle to get 1 (average). The Spy Who Loved Me doesn't receive any and is described as "A witless spy extravaganza in muddy colour, with the usual tired chases..." Only someone's opinion, of course. Vi That surprises me as Spy was had a great look about it, some very good and original action scenes and cracking music.
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Post by Davy Freeth on Apr 28, 2020 21:13:27 GMT
Daniel Craig just puts me in mind of a Russian spy his mannerisms don't seem British. No sense of humour He just doesn't do James Bond for me.
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 28, 2020 21:25:15 GMT
Daniel Craig just puts me in mind of a Russian spy his mannerisms don't seem British. No sense of humour He just doesn't do James Bond for me. His films are made in the time when everything has to be dark and brooding. The old Bonds were more upbeat, the character certainly was but that is out of fashion these days, it seems to be pervasive throughout many big films these days.
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Post by Terry Collier on Apr 28, 2020 22:11:48 GMT
Looking through Halliwell's Film Guide from 2005, I see that Connery's Bond films get decent ratings, generally 2 to 3 stars (good to very good). However, Moore's struggle to get 1 (average). The Spy Who Loved Me doesn't receive any and is described as "A witless spy extravaganza in muddy colour, with the usual tired chases..." Only someone's opinion, of course. Vi Always found Halliwells guides very subjective. Proven by the fact I agree with some of the reviews in them, but am completely at odds with others. As has been mentioned by someone above, you can't blame the actor for the quality of the script. Take Michael Caine for instance. Everyone loves him in Get Carter & The Italian Job. Do they like him in Jaws The Revenge though? Again, just my opinion. TC.
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