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Post by Sam Tyler on Nov 12, 2015 21:43:34 GMT
Come on Dickie, stop waffling around, get off the fence and tell us how you really feel!
Sam.
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Post by Dickie Cork on Nov 12, 2015 22:03:12 GMT
I thought I was quite restrained there.....
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Post by Windy Miller on Nov 13, 2015 12:38:46 GMT
Please do Good post Dickie. I agree with everything, especially about the pretentious and arrogant Mick Hucknell. One of the few people who actually make my skin crawl.
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Post by Gene Hunt on Nov 13, 2015 12:50:25 GMT
Please do Good post Dickie. I agree with everything, especially about the pretentious and arrogant Mick Hucknell. One of the few people who actually make my skin crawl. Don't forget The Saint. Gene.
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Post by Dirty Epic on Nov 13, 2015 15:02:09 GMT
Please do Good post Dickie. I agree with everything, especially about the pretentious and arrogant Mick Hucknell. One of the few people who actually make my skin crawl. To quote Steve Coogan as Tony Wilson in 24 Hour Party People 'He's a **** and he's ginger'! LOL!
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Nov 13, 2015 18:03:34 GMT
I think Prog Rock ( like Heavy Metal a horrible term that turns people off ) has been unfairly treated by the media. As a style of music it's basically jazz ( and classical ) influenced rock. Once you take away the sometimes overblown 'trappings' ( usually shown on BBC4 documentaries as Rick Wakeman performing with a 500 piece orchestra on ice, pretentious album titles like 'Tales From Topographic Oceans', ELP & their convoy of trucks, Peter Gabriel in a silly costume, etc. ) there is only music left which you can either take or leave. I like punk but there is an inverted snobbery about the DIY punk ethic, there's room for both 'having a go' & committing yourself to years of practice or just being a gifted musician as someone like Keith Emerson was. I saw a documentary about Prog Rock & it showed how some bands basically fell apart because they got labelled as boring or pretentious & became unfashionable, which seems very unfair especially considering that many punk artists now admit to liking bands they once dismissed as crap.
I got into some prog rock ( much of it, maybe even most, I don't like ) through listening to film soundtracks & library music so I didn't come to it 'cold'. It's often about challenging your musical prejudices & listening to a band ( or see a film, etc. ) that you've not heard or would never normally listen to. There are some artists you will never like but unless you keep an open mind you'll never discover anything new. Radio & tv is generally concerned with playing established mainstream artists so you only ever hear the same bands & songs over & over, this means we'll still be listening to the same songs 20 years from now & lesser known, often more interesting music goes unheard. The Beatles and The Stones ( their 'hits' at least ) get played constantly but what of all those other 60s bands? And so on with every decade & every mainstream genre of music, we hear the 'successful' bands & the rest get forgotten.
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Post by Windy Miller on Nov 13, 2015 20:43:06 GMT
It's difficult to generalise about a whole music genre, but the self indulgent pretentiousness of Prog Rock could not last for ever. I had never thought about Prog Rock being able to trace it's origins to jazz Arthur but it explains a lot. I don't like jazz and I don't like Prog Rock.
People want music to be accessible. People want to dance to music or to sing along. Jazz and Prog Rock don't provide either.
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Post by Del Boy on Nov 13, 2015 20:58:33 GMT
I tend to like tracks rather than style's generally. I will often love a single from a particular band and not the album its from, even though it is successful. Taking prog rock, I really like a few songs by Yes, Pink Floyd, Emerson,Lake and Palmer and the stuff where Led Zep dipped their toe into the genre, with their myth based songwriting. Overall though it is a very self indulgent pretentious form of music.
The only style i can honestly say i don't like anything from is Jazz.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Nov 13, 2015 22:04:16 GMT
Jazz, unless you count big band, swing, etc. & Prog are generally sit down styles of music that take your mind on a journey rather than get you dancing, as is classical. You might think you don't like jazz but much of the music used in The Sweeney is basically jazz & Harry South's closing theme is a moody jazz track. Most of the session musicians who wrote that music were from a jazz background. Most film soundtracks are either orchestral or jazz & think of all the tv themes of the 60s & 70s by people like John Barry, Edwin Astley, Ron Grainer, etc. People are turned off by the word because they associate it with people like George Melly or a guy in a smoky room noodling away at a piano, trumpet or saxophone ( The Fast Show's "Jazz Club" ).
Here is some early Prog Rock by The Nice featuring Keith Emerson that might get your feet tapping-
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Post by Dirty Epic on Nov 13, 2015 22:21:34 GMT
I tend to like tracks rather than style's generally. I will often love a single from a particular band and not the album its from, even though it is successful. Taking prog rock, I really like a few songs by Yes, Pink Floyd, Emerson,Lake and Palmer and the stuff where Led Zep dipped their toe into the genre, with their myth based songwriting. Overall though it is a very self indulgent pretentious form of music. The only style i can honestly say i don't like anything from is Jazz. Sort of see things in a similar way myself mate not a massive fan of Prog Rock generally but have liked bits and pieces by bands like Pink Floyd in particular Jazz I can take or leave but don't mind elements of it being fused into other gernes like Disco D n B Hip Hop and House sometimes with interesting results too
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