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Post by Sparky on Jun 25, 2020 21:00:50 GMT
I'm not surprised, people have had a gut full of it then there's Cummings, protests a plenty and beach goers for not the first time this lockdown. Its descended in to a can't be bothered attitude from many. It has.
It's been "can't be bothered" for many since the lockdown began. I got sick of hearing people make excuses such as "We've only gone out for one day, it won't hurt" when they were told to stay home.
TBH, the Government's handling hasn't been amazing - we've had mixed advice & guidance - rules and regs that are being enforced totally differently around the country. The Police were given additional powers - and they were interpreted differently between Force districts. Of the summons issued to those reported for flouting Lock Down laws - all of the cases have been dropped.
As Del said, we then had Cummings (he's currently being taken to court over his antics via a private case, I bet that'll go nowhere)
And now we have the government falling out and ignoring advice from Scientists over the lifting of the lockdown restrictions too quickly.
Little wonder people can't be bothered!
What they don't realise is is that IF there was a second wave (which is currently being predicted by Scientists as possible during the winter), if it's a major second wave - the possible Lockdown on this occasion won't be as relaxed as this current one. Those that flounted it will be in for a big shock, and those that stuck to the rules during this lockdown will suffer as a result too.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Jun 26, 2020 14:07:31 GMT
They made a massive misjudgment not sacking Cummings, if ever they needed to set an example it was then. It's provided everyone with a ready made excuse not to observe the lockdown. In a way the public flouting the lockdown, even if it is a minority, works in the government's favour as who ultimately takes the blame? The public.
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Post by Sparky on Jun 26, 2020 15:20:58 GMT
They made a massive misjudgment not sacking Cummings, if ever they needed to set an example it was then. It's provided everyone with a ready made excuse not to observe the lockdown. In a way the public flouting the lockdown, even if it is a minority, works in the government's favour as who ultimately takes the blame? The public. Which is what will happen if there is a 2nd wave and huge spike.
It'll give the Government excuses to bring in much tougher legislation and get tough on what would be a possible 2nd lockdown. Those that have stuck to the guidance since March will also end up getting punished too.
I've read reports across various media outlets stating that when Police and Local Authorities have asked the public to remember the governments guidance on social distancing, they have been greeted with the comment "Cummings got away with it, so can we."
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Jun 26, 2020 16:23:27 GMT
There's pictures of Bournemouth beach covered in litter. Frustration with the lockdown is understandable but the litter left behind tells its own story about people not giving a damn. I've always thought that litter is the one real indicator of human selfishness, putting larger concerns about humankind into perspective, if enough people can't even be bothered to tidy up after themselves what hope is there for tackling the bigger problems facing us? You'd think by now we'd have learnt to take our rubbish home with us.
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Post by Steve Austin on Jun 26, 2020 18:06:07 GMT
They made a massive misjudgment not sacking Cummings, if ever they needed to set an example it was then. It's provided everyone with a ready made excuse not to observe the lockdown. In a way the public flouting the lockdown, even if it is a minority, works in the government's favour as who ultimately takes the blame? The public. Which is what will happen if there is a 2nd wave and huge spike.
It'll give the Government excuses to bring in much tougher legislation and get tough on what would be a possible 2nd lockdown. Those that have stuck to the guidance since March will also end up getting punished too.
I've read reports across various media outlets stating that when Police and Local Authorities have asked the public to remember the governments guidance on social distancing, they have been greeted with the comment "Cummings got away with it, so can we."
Bit of a cop out though. They'd flout the rules anyway. As soon as the Govt. relaxed the social distancing and let more people go back to work, the public (at least the ones who flocked to Bournemouth) decided that it's all over. Demonstrations are allowed so why not have those same numbers on a beach? What's the difference? The policing on these demonstrations has then given "ravers" of London all the encouragement they need to hold street raves. We're in for a long, long Summer.
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Post by Steve Austin on Jun 26, 2020 18:09:11 GMT
There's pictures of Bournemouth beach covered in litter. Frustration with the lockdown is understandable but the litter left behind tells its own story about people not giving a damn. I've always thought that litter is the one real indicator of human selfishness, putting larger concerns about humankind into perspective, if enough people can't even be bothered to tidy up after themselves what hope is there for tackling the bigger problems facing us? You'd think by now we'd have learnt to take our rubbish home with us.
People have short memories. A couple of weeks ago, they were clapping every Thursday for the NHS and other key workers including refuse collectors etc who kept the country going. Now, they could care less. A few short months ago Caroline Flack took her life and the general response was to care more about people and be more caring generally in society. Didn't last long did it.
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Post by Sparky on Jun 26, 2020 18:13:57 GMT
Indeed, people do have short memories.
We were also being told by MPs that "our decisions are guided by the science" - more recently they seem to have been ignoring the concerns of those scientists.
It seems it's more guided by the Costs, Money and Party Donors......
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Post by Vienna on Jun 27, 2020 10:52:18 GMT
There's pictures of Bournemouth beach covered in litter. Frustration with the lockdown is understandable but the litter left behind tells its own story about people not giving a damn. I've always thought that litter is the one real indicator of human selfishness, putting larger concerns about humankind into perspective, if enough people can't even be bothered to tidy up after themselves what hope is there for tackling the bigger problems facing us? You'd think by now we'd have learnt to take our rubbish home with us.
The amount of litter left was shocking, but probably not surprising. Unfortunately, the UK has had a serious litter problem for many years, particularly since takeaway food has become so popular with many people. The video below shows what a difficult and dangerous job it can be trying to clear it up from verges on motorways. Vi
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Post by Three Litre on Jun 27, 2020 11:01:58 GMT
There's pictures of Bournemouth beach covered in litter. Frustration with the lockdown is understandable but the litter left behind tells its own story about people not giving a damn. I've always thought that litter is the one real indicator of human selfishness, putting larger concerns about humankind into perspective, if enough people can't even be bothered to tidy up after themselves what hope is there for tackling the bigger problems facing us? You'd think by now we'd have learnt to take our rubbish home with us.
The amount of litter left was shocking, but probably not surprising. Unfortunately, the UK has had a serious litter problem for many years, particularly since takeaway food has become so popular with many people. The video below shows what a difficult and dangerous job it can be trying to clear it up from verges on motorways. Vi Too true. I think the littering and other poor behaviour was more of a problem than any chance of catching the virus on a windy beach. There is litter everywhere and the majority gets thrown from vehicles, its ingrained into UK culture I'm afraid.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Jun 27, 2020 16:01:30 GMT
I had a job picking litter up at an international cricket match at Old Trafford & was amazed at the amount of rubbish left by the spectators ( you'd think cricket fans might be more civilised ), all the stands were ankle deep in it. I spoke to one of the groundsmen about it & he said that people buy a ticket to enter the place & therefore feel it entitles them to do as they please.
I had one stand to myself & as I was making a futile attempt to clear up some people appeared with bin liners, they were collecting tin cans to sell That peed me off as I'd been working since the morning picking up litter for a minimum wage. There were also full cans of beer left behind.
The joke of it is that I went to a cricket match years later at Old Trafford & when the match ended one of the players glared at me & shouted 'take that home' when he saw I had a plastic bottle in my hand. I had no intention of dropping it but he must've thought I looked the type who would
Fresh covid lunacy, this time from Liverpool FC fans-
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