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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 9, 2020 15:32:51 GMT
I believe Sweden's health service is a lot better resourced than ours
I also believe that, as you suggest Arthur, they are more inclined to follow instructions from their government
As I understand it anyone who is more vulnerable is self isolating
I am very curious to see how Sweden fares with their approach. Hopefully everyone stays safe.
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Post by DI Alex Drake on Apr 9, 2020 15:44:29 GMT
Germany's approach (perhaps unsurprisingly) seems to be pretty successful. They have had a huge number of cases but comparatively few fatalities. Now, they seem to be testing more which would of course mean they have higher figures because our figures are probably woefully inaccurate, and perhaps by finding who has it and keeping them away from everyone else, they are preventing the deaths. I don't know. I didn't think we were doing too badly but it's not looking that way.
I just went out to the pharmacy for my own prescription and my next door neighbour's. Mostly involved queuing to get into the pharmacy and it is painfully dull. Same goes for supermarket shopping. Obviously, I was there because I needed to be, so it didn't matter that it was mind-numbing but what I'm hoping is that people won't want to fill their days with that if they don't actually need to and might stay the *** * at home!
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Apr 9, 2020 17:56:46 GMT
What puzzles me about the NHS is that surely this crisis has meant that many people have stayed away from their GP's, A&E, etc., many because they have no choice, which must result in far less of a workload. The lack of ventilators, trained staff & PPE should not bring a nation to a standstill.
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Post by Villain on Apr 9, 2020 18:23:21 GMT
The mind boggles - I heard earlier on the news of a Midwife who's 'out stationed' in a hotel up north whilst working (keeping well away from here family) has had her car's tyres slashed by locals who thought she was a tourist. A friend of ours in Torquay reports that her entire street has had all the tyres slashed overnight..... what the **** is wrong with people...? Villain
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 9, 2020 18:26:11 GMT
Sweden, noted for being a progressive nation, is carrying on as normal. I wonder if it's reckless or whether they are trusting their citizens to behave responsibly? I do think much of this lockdown boils down to trust & wonder whether the lockdown should just apply to cities & heavily populated areas.
The problems this lockdown is causing existed before the virus- lack of consideration for others, lack of personal responsibility re health, selfishness, etc. It's looking like the virus & the medical response will take care of itself to an extent because it has to, but who takes care of the behind closed doors impact it's having on millions of people?
Good points, well made AP. Sweden are trying something different, think the juries out at the moment. Or possibly dead with C-19.
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Post by DI Alex Drake on Apr 9, 2020 18:32:21 GMT
To be fair, that’s just standard in Torquay . I joke, just about. I could walk to Torquay with sufficient time but I do not go there by choice! It is a bit loopy really, as you say, that with no routine operations taking place and presumably minimal routine appointments, surely that should be 1000s of appointments a day that aren’t happening? I guess we can’t really know what it’s like if we aren’t involved. I do know that people have been trying to get months and months worth of their prescriptions that they don’t actually need which is crippling the pharmacies.
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 9, 2020 18:36:42 GMT
To be fair, that’s just standard in Torquay . I joke, just about. I could walk to Torquay with sufficient time but I do not go there by choice! It is a bit loopy really, as you say, that with no routine operations taking place and presumably minimal routine appointments, surely that should be 1000s of appointments a day that aren’t happening? I guess we can’t really know what it’s like if we aren’t involved. I do know that people have been trying to get months and months worth of their prescriptions that they don’t actually need which is crippling the pharmacies. To be honest, you can't work out why people do these things. The whole world is turned upside down at the moment. It's a question of hanging on and looking out for friends, family and the needy where you can. I'm hopeful it'll look a lot better in by the end of the month. Better, but different.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 9, 2020 19:33:43 GMT
And when you've read it watch the actual news clip about blowing up the whale...
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Apr 9, 2020 19:44:15 GMT
I saw a report on channel 4 news a few weeks ago from an empty doctor's surgery & a staff member said it was unheard of for it to be so quiet.
Discounting the genuine cases who are unable to visit surgeries, why can't it be at least half empty year round? If it were we'd presumably have enough staff & resources to cope. What this crisis should tell us is that much more emphasis needs to be put on prevention. If you're fortunate enough not to have health problems, you need to look at your body as you'd look at a decent car you've invested in- look after it, learn to maintain it & you'll only need to see a mechanic when absolutely necessary.
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 9, 2020 19:48:41 GMT
I saw a report on channel 4 news a few weeks ago from an empty doctor's surgery & a staff member said it was unheard of for it to be so quiet.
Discounting the genuine cases who are unable to visit surgeries, why can't it be at least half empty year round? If it were we'd presumably have enough staff & resources to cope. What this crisis should tell us is that much more emphasis needs to be put on prevention. If you're fortunate enough not to have health problems, you need to look at your body as you'd look at a decent car you've invested in- look after it, learn to maintain it & you'll only need to see a mechanic when absolutely necessary.
I need a 100K service, a full strip down and rebuild and a paint job. My big end is OK though.
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