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Post by Three Litre on Apr 4, 2020 22:37:50 GMT
I was reading an article about the daily death toll. I assumed that the number given each day is how many have died that day, the news reports that 'the last 24 hours recorded the highest number so far' as if 300 people had all died in the space of 24 hours. In fact the numbers are reported deaths, not deaths on that particular day, the person could've died days or weeks earlier as there is a delay in reporting the figures.
What's disturbing is that the article went on to state that actual numbers of deaths per day is often higher than the reported number.
Yes, I saw that too. Although the deaths are obviously very sad the key indicator of where we are is the amount of new infections the growth rate of which appears to flattening off, when you look at a graph with a logarithmic scale. Even more so in Spain. This is good as it means we are getting through it. We need the government to sort the testing out so they start to ease the lockdown before we end up in a recession deeper than a very deep thing that will bring another level of misery.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 6:45:28 GMT
I’m getting tired of people not taking this lockdown seriously and also scumbags using the situation to exploit people by selling stuff more money! Everyday I wake up I keep hoping and praying this nightmare will stop but unfortunately the figures are just going up. I’m a bit OCD with certain stuff and the other week I ended up paying £24 for 3 tubs of carex hand soap, Twas doing my head in not being able to get hold of it so ended up paying more off eBay! Thankfully the sellers as been stopped from flogging anymore. I also just wish people would take the social distancing seriously! I’ve cut down the trips to Tesco and when I do go I wear like a surgical mask and gloves and adhere to the 2 meter distance rule. Yesterday when I went I was amazed to see this Young family strolling around outside Tesco looking like they didn’t have a care in the world! It consisted of mum and dad, a youngster being pushed in a buggy by mum, and two other kids either 5 or 6 years of age, one of them was riding a scooter! surely in this situation, Dad could of gone to Tesco on his own whilst the rest of the family stayed safe at home!! I won’t mention their ethnic origin for obvious reasons, even though the refusal to follow the social distancing rules does not discriminate.
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Post by Sparky on Apr 5, 2020 8:42:55 GMT
I’m getting tired of people not taking this lockdown seriously and also scumbags using the situation to exploit people by selling stuff more money! Everyday I wake up I keep hoping and praying this nightmare will stop but unfortunately the figures are just going up. I’m a bit OCD with certain stuff and the other week I ended up paying £24 for 3 tubs of carex hand soap, Twas doing my head in not being able to get hold of it so ended up paying more off eBay! Thankfully the sellers as been stopped from flogging anymore. I also just wish people would take the social distancing seriously! I’ve cut down the trips to Tesco and when I do go I wear like a surgical mask and gloves and adhere to the 2 meter distance rule. Yesterday when I went I was amazed to see this Young family strolling around outside Tesco looking like they didn’t have a care in the world! It consisted of mum and dad, a youngster being pushed in a buggy by mum, and two other kids either 5 or 6 years of age, one of them was riding a scooter! surely in this situation, Dad could of gone to Tesco on his own whilst the rest of the family stayed safe at home!! I won’t mention their ethnic origin for obvious reasons, even though the refusal to follow the social distancing rules does not discriminate. Likewise. Since the lockdown began - I've been out twice, those were both shopping trips to a small local supermarket and then home again. And that - was at 8.30am. I have seen no end of groups of people out and about as if it's a holiday.
The Police Helicopter has been up constantly - especially during the late afternoon well until the late evening. Naturally, this has caused no end of complaints about noise at 11pm.
The Police statement was this "We're looking for missing persons" - well, there seems to be a hell of a lot of missing persons since this lock down started.
I read an article yesterday on a local newspaper website. A Cycling Group in Sc***horpe had organised via it's Faceache Group, a "Ride Out" (scheduled for today) - to Cleethorpes.
This had been reported to Humberside Police - who have put a stop to it. Though the Cycle Group are now having a go at the Police and those who have reported them - accusing them of bullying and most of the complaints came from "jealous motorists who aren't allowed out".
Which bit of "Stop at Home" do they not understand?
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 5, 2020 9:46:08 GMT
I'm going to respectfully disagree with some of this.
I don't think anyone is getting this virus by lying on the grass in the park on their own or with their family/housemate, or going for extended runs or cycle rides. Its just not possible to inhale enough of the virus in outside conditions.
If it were possible then the police should be bursting into every train carriage, every bus and loads of shops and offices where people are in enclosed environments and chucking them out as that must be a far greater risk by a massive amount. That's possibly why bus drivers are getting it and nurses/doctors, they are in enclosed spaces with people who have got it.
If you are outside, not in groups and keeping your distance then I don't see the problem.
I'm not a virologist mind. In fact I had trouble spelling it.
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Post by Sparky on Apr 5, 2020 10:23:28 GMT
I'm going to respectfully disagree with some of this. I don't think anyone is getting this virus by lying on the grass in the park on their own or with their family/housemate, or going for extended runs or cycle rides. Its just not possible to inhale enough of the virus in outside conditions. If it were possible then the police should be bursting into every train carriage, every bus and loads of shops and offices where people are in enclosed environments and chucking them out as that must be a far greater risk by a massive amount. That's possibly why bus drivers are getting it and nurses/doctors, they are in enclosed spaces with people who have got it. If you are outside, not in groups and keeping your distance then I don't see the problem. I'm not a virologist mind. In fact I had trouble spelling it. Half, if not most of the problem is the information that is supposed to be coming from credible sources.
Either the government are totally clueless (just a possibility there), or they are only releasing bits and bobs of information based on what they "think" we should know. I am not saying it's a conspiricy, but over the last month or so - it's gone from - "There is no need to close schools" and "Just wash your hands" to "Oh shit, we'd better close the schools" and now a we have restrictions on our movements. I assume their guidance is based on scientific information and figures.
Though, it's easy to blame our Government for sitting on their backsides - but their information was coming from China - who (aparently) watered down information anyway.
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 5, 2020 10:31:37 GMT
On a positive note, Euro Car Parts are having a sale of up to 50%, use SPRING60 when buying stuff.
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Post by Cartman on Apr 5, 2020 11:51:15 GMT
I agree with TL on this. If you are in, say, a park with just a small group you are in the open air and if you stay away from others you are going to be easily more than 2 metres away from anyone else. To me this is less of an issue than other activities which are being allowed, like shopping.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Apr 5, 2020 14:12:10 GMT
FACT: #COVID19 is NOT airborne. The #coronavirus is mainly transmitted through droplets generated when an infected person coughs, sneezes or speaks. To protect yourself: -keep 1m distance from others -disinfect surfaces frequently -wash/rub your 👐 -avoid touching your 👀👃👄
So, yes, I agree with Three Litre, that there appears to be minimal risk to being outside if you are observing social distancing
That said, if everyone goes outside, especially in towns and cities, it becomes ever more challenging to stay at a safe distance
For those people that don't have to travel on public transport and/or spend time in workplaces, it seems that their biggest risk of getting infected is from a trip to the shops where my experience is that it can still be challenging to keep a safe distance apart
That said, the absolute number one imperative is to regularly wash your hands and avoid touching your nose, mouth or eyes
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Post by Three Litre on Apr 5, 2020 14:52:18 GMT
Yes, this isn't Novichok where one touch will kill you. Even being in the presence of someone with, briefly as in the shop or even more so passing someone in the street does not mean you are going to get it, you need to be in their vicinity for a while to get enough.
Of of course if handle your face lots when you're out then you are at risk, so don't do that.
My thoughts are with people who are exposed by occupation, like Sparky mentioned his sister is a nurse, or who have crappy accommodation and are living with sufferers.
The figures in Spain are looking better, the infection rate is definitely slowing, hopefully we'll being there shortly.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Apr 5, 2020 15:16:54 GMT
The trouble is the tabloids & social media like to s**t stir by sharing smudges of people apparently flouting the rules. By the same token, if this had happened in pre internet days you can imagine a lot more flouting going on, at least the threat of being exposed on facebook or followed by a police drone is deterring irresponsible people from going out & possibly transmitting the virus.
It's also about setting an example. One person in a field isn't doing anyone any harm but the drone smudge shared by the police on twitter certainly does. Someone innocently sharing a smudge of a walk with their dog can be viewed as 'putting lives at risk' by others perhaps frustrated that they're unable or unwilling to do the same.
We live in an age where telling a dubious joke in a pub to a friend cannot remotely be compared to doing the same on twitter. Once you put something, anything in fact, however innocent, on social media it becomes fair game for anyone to distort & exploit. That's why I confine my online activity to this forum & would never use twitter or facebook, it''s not so much the security issue that bothers me, it's those people who become like the school sneak on the internet & it only takes 1 person to get the wrong end of the stick or deliberately misrepresent you.
Conflicting & rapidly changing info is the main frustration, with experts & leaders in apparent disagreement over what measures to take leaving a confused public in their wake. The public wearing masks for instance, previous info had it that this was ineffective & possibly counterproductive, now we're seeing articles promoting the use of face coverings of any type, including scarfs & balaclavas, describing them as a 'must' for everyone.
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