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Post by Steve Austin on Aug 30, 2020 15:18:14 GMT
Yes it's odd that they didn't censor that, the paperboy was off screen as well so the edit wouldn't have been that noticeable.
The tptv daughter mentioned on the BBC feature that they have a lot of OAP viewers, maybe these cuts are partly about keeping things 'clean' for the more conservative old folk.
The responsibility ought to be with the viewer rather than the broadcaster, if you blindly watch anything without taking the trouble to find out what the film is about then you can't complain when you see or hear something that offends you.
But the OAP’s would have been 20, 30 & 40 year olds when this film was released so I’m not sure that is a valid point, I would love to know their policy on censorship, especially as they precede programmes with a warning. It’s a little too pc which their target audience does not necessarily appreciate.
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Post by Charles Bronson on Aug 30, 2020 17:47:01 GMT
Yes it's odd that they didn't censor that, the paperboy was off screen as well so the edit wouldn't have been that noticeable.
The tptv daughter mentioned on the BBC feature that they have a lot of OAP viewers, maybe these cuts are partly about keeping things 'clean' for the more conservative old folk.
The responsibility ought to be with the viewer rather than the broadcaster, if you blindly watch anything without taking the trouble to find out what the film is about then you can't complain when you see or hear something that offends you.
But the OAP’s would have been 20, 30 & 40 year olds when this film was released so I’m not sure that is a valid point, I would love to know their policy on censorship, especially as they precede programmes with a warning. It’s a little too pc which their target audience does not necessarily appreciate. Regarding the warnings they give before many of the films and TV series. I remember reading that the father and daughter who run the channel were hauled into a P.C. type broadcasting control office a few years ago and given warnings about some of the dialogue in the films and shows, so that's why we get those silly warnings before the start of a show. I dont think that would account for them covering up bums though.
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Post by Steve Austin on Aug 30, 2020 17:54:39 GMT
But the OAP’s would have been 20, 30 & 40 year olds when this film was released so I’m not sure that is a valid point, I would love to know their policy on censorship, especially as they precede programmes with a warning. It’s a little too pc which their target audience does not necessarily appreciate. Regarding the warnings they give before many of the films and TV series. I remember reading that the father and daughter who run the channel were hauled into a P.C. type broadcasting control office a few years ago and given warnings about some of the dialogue in the films and shows, so that's why we get those silly warnings before the start of a show. I dont think that would account for them covering up bums though. There's just no continuity though Charles. In this same film, bottoms were starred yet there was a breast exposed, some language was deleted and some not. If there is a preceding message (I'm not sure there was for this film), then why use additional censoring? As I have already mentioned, you will find stronger language/sexual scenes on any mainstream channel. The Sopranos, Harlots are just two examples off the top of my head. Don't get me wrong, TPTV is my favourite TV channel, I'm not knocking them, it's just that it's so frustrating that they do this when I don't think there is a need for it. It's no different to the cuts they make to The Sweeney & AWP, I don't see a need to do this.
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Post by Three Litre on Aug 30, 2020 17:56:47 GMT
At this rate, some channels will leave us with the opening and closing credits and that's it!
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Aug 30, 2020 18:04:40 GMT
I looked at Ofcom's site under a section titled 'how we consider complaints'-
"When we consider complaints, we take into account a range of factors. We think about generally-accepted standards, and what viewers or listeners might expect from a particular programme.
We examine the context that content was presented in – including the type of programme, the channel it was on and the time of broadcast. We look at who was likely to be watching or listening, and how the content was explained to people to help them understand it and decide whether to stay tuned in."
If Ofcom do take context into consideration I can only think that the censorship on tptv is more to do with the time of broadcast. A viewer complained to Ofcom about the word 'w*g' used in an episode of 'A Family At War' several times. Presumably it was shown pre watershed & this is what got tptv into trouble leading to the content warnings & censorship of nudity & language. As people have noted, 'Budgie' seems to be uncut. Presumably 'Ooh You Are Awful' was censored as it was shown from 8pm.
That said, I think tptv does choose what to censor regardless of Ofcom as I came across a forum post about the Arthur Askey film 'Up With The Lark'. In it there's a scene ( see clip below ) where a character resembling Adolf Hitler is seen with a copy of The Jewish Chronicle newspaper, tptv blurred out the title of the newspaper. Someone emailed them to ask why & they replied that they thought it was offensive to Jewish people. I don't think anyone should be making these judgments as it's one person's view, it should be left for the viewer to make the judgment.
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Post by Steve Austin on Aug 30, 2020 18:10:46 GMT
I looked at Ofcom's site under a section titled 'how we consider complaints'-
"When we consider complaints, we take into account a range of factors. We think about generally-accepted standards, and what viewers or listeners might expect from a particular programme.
We examine the context that content was presented in – including the type of programme, the channel it was on and the time of broadcast. We look at who was likely to be watching or listening, and how the content was explained to people to help them understand it and decide whether to stay tuned in."
If Ofcom do take context into consideration I can only think that the censorship on tptv is more to do with the time of broadcast. A viewer complained to Ofcom about the word 'w*g' used in an episode of 'A Family At War' several times. Presumably it was shown pre watershed & this is what got tptv into trouble leading to the content warnings & censorship of nudity & language. As people have noted, 'Budgie' seems to be uncut. Presumably 'Ooh You Are Awful' was censored as it was shown from 8pm.
That said, I think tptv does choose what to censor regardless of Ofcom as I came across a forum post about the Arthur Askey film 'Up With The Lark'. In it there's a scene where a character resembling Adolf Hitler is seen with a copy of The Jewish Chronicle newspaper, tptv blurred out the title of the newspaper. Someone emailed them to ask why & they replied that they thought it was offensive to Jewish people. I don't think anyone should be making these judgments as it's one person's view, it should be left for the viewer to make the judgment.
Exactly Arthur. If you're watching something from the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's or even the 90's, then at the very least you should be aware that today's values may mean that you may find it offensive, surely that's just common sense. Add to that the fact that you're warned you may find it offensive then....well, you can fill in the rest. There is a line from a song I often think of which goes "I find myself at 90 degrees to the rest of the world" and the older I get, the more it resonates.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Aug 30, 2020 18:20:14 GMT
What's strange is that censorship is something that has historically been practiced by authoritarian regimes, usually fascist or communist or by religiously motivated groups like Mary Whitehouse's National Viewers And Listeners Association, whilst today, at least in the UK, it's often practiced by supposedly 'progressive' groups & individuals, people you would think were opposed to censorship. Of course they don't regard it as censorship but that's what any instance of deciding what the public can & can't see is.
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Post by Charles Bronson on Aug 30, 2020 20:53:11 GMT
Let's face it. Things have become totally insane in the last 25 years. You can lose you livelihood for one wrong word. You might be asking a Bobby for the right time and use a non P.C. word or term and be in trouble. Maybe the controversy with the BBC and The Last Night Of The Proms song is the start of a major backlash.
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Post by Three Litre on Aug 30, 2020 21:13:08 GMT
Let's face it. Things have become totally insane in the last 25 years. You can lose you livelihood for one wrong word. You might be asking a Bobby for the right time and use a non P.C. word or term and be in trouble. Maybe the controversy with the BBC and The Last Night Of The Proms song is the start of a major backlash. Too true! The wrong things have become major crimes.
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Post by Cartman on Aug 30, 2020 21:13:31 GMT
It's stupid 6th form student debating society politics which has escaped into the larger world.
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