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Post by Dirty Epic on Jun 17, 2020 19:32:41 GMT
I half watched it last night will give it a proper watch later this week. Wasn't too bad and seen worse sort of reminded me of a slower paced Prospects with Budgie being a little similar to Pincey but without an obvious sidekick and as Saint says it was quite slow paced too. I think it will pick up be worth sticking with probably the first 4 episodes being B&W like early Special Branch don't really help it either. Iain Cuthbertson's Charles Endell looks good and when it moves on his character will probably move it on/improve it. I should watch it properly later this week so will post more on it as/when.
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Post by Cartman on Jun 17, 2020 20:59:05 GMT
I could slightly take or leave Budgie personally. I'm not a fan of Adam Faith, for me Charlie Endell was the best thing about it and a much later spin off with Charlie on his own, in about 79/80 was better.
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Post by Dirty Epic on Jun 17, 2020 22:46:21 GMT
I could slightly take or leave Budgie personally. I'm not a fan of Adam Faith, for me Charlie Endell was the best thing about it and a much later spin off with Charlie on his own, in about 79/80 was better. Hopefully TPTV might get hold of it (Charles Endell) Cartman depends whether STV would deal with them?
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Jun 18, 2020 0:06:06 GMT
I remember watching Budgie on Channel 4 in the late 80's. There weren't many 70's shows, besides sitcoms, being repeated on tv at that time & Budgie was a very early 70's show with some episodes in black & white, so it seemed unusual. The theme music & title sequence drew you in but as is often the case with 70's shows, the mixture of film & video seemed to jar. I've watched it since but not both series in their entirety. A bearded John Thaw plays a Welshman in one episode.
I'll try & catch the tptv repeats, my memory is of Budgie himself being a toerag who treated everyone like dirt, was abusive to his girlfriend/wife & not likeable at all, I think the show was intended as a cautionary tale, similar to 'Big Breadwinner Hog' which starred Peter Egan as a young ambitious criminal. In other words you aren't supposed to sympathise with or like the lead character. I think Adam Faith was a rotten singer but was very good at playing n'er do wells.
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Post by Three Litre on Jun 18, 2020 0:20:07 GMT
I remember those repeats, along with Callan.
Cuthbertson is good in that role, I’ll watch some more to see him.
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Post by Dirty Epic on Jun 18, 2020 8:17:41 GMT
I remember watching Budgie on Channel 4 in the late 80's. There weren't many 70's shows, besides sitcoms, being repeated on tv at that time & Budgie was a very early 70's show with some episodes in black & white, so it seemed unusual. The theme music & title sequence drew you in but as is often the case with 70's shows, the mixture of film & video seemed to jar. I've watched it since but not both series in their entirety. A bearded John Thaw plays a Welshman in one episode.
I'll try & catch the tptv repeats, my memory is of Budgie himself being a toerag who treated everyone like dirt, was abusive to his girlfriend/wife & not likeable at all, I think the show was intended as a cautionary tale, similar to 'Big Breadwinner Hog' which starred Peter Egan as a young ambitious criminal. In other words you aren't supposed to sympathise with or like the lead character. I think Adam Faith was a rotten singer but was very good at playing n'er do wells.
Interesting what you say about 'not sympathising with the villain' there Arthur I think up to about say the mid '70's/possibly with the rise of things like The Sweeney you never really saw crime, police, cops and robbers portrayed in shades of grey. They had them as starkly good and bad from the older stuff I've seen.
Writers like Trevor Preston, GF Newman and Alan Clarke etc. started to change that as the '70's progressed and you would get things like Out's Frank Ross who you'd totally sympathise with and root for. Here Bryce (Norman Rodway) is the enemy he's set Ross up for a fall while outing slimy/shadier villain's like McGrath and the costs this has not only on Ross but his wife and son are all to see. This doesn't take away the fact Ross is a career criminal who has been very active over the years, has taunted the police/Bryce, uses and ditches those around them and is long overdue for a stretch if we're being honest - but (for me) you like him more the people who are supposed to be the 'good' here!
Likewise a similar thing occurs with GF Newman's Law and Order Pyall is absolutely detestable example of a corrupt cop in action fitting up some villain's and having checks and balances with others even before Jack Lynn goes on his radar. Again like Ross in out Lynn is plotting a blag and is long overdue for a time in prison but he is totally innocent of the robbery he is sent down for, Pyall's pursuit of him is relentless and those who are guilty get away Scott free and he takes a big fall when he's sent to prison both in the terms of how he handles the system and his mental/physical well being in it!
Anyway I'll give Episode 1 a proper watch later today and maybe post in it's dedicated thread. I see Budgie like a early '70's knock about type like say (and hate the term) today's Chav these days... although they can be a fair bit more vicious these days! Budgie's hair brained schemes may work on paper but never come off and usually lead for more trouble than if he found more legitimate ways of getting by. It's probably where I'm getting the Pincey/Prospects comparisons with although Pincey seems more jovial and likeable, is at a much lower criminal level than Budgie and initially hasn't done a stretch in jail either!
As for Adam Faith don't really know much about him beyond this and his role in McVicar as Probyn. I know he had a 90's revival in Love Hurts with Zoe Wannamaker. Shame the car accident probably curtailed Budgie as might have developed but like so many of these shows of that period perhaps it could be all samey, not that good in hindsight and maybe have 10-15 episodes too many.
Still fair play to TPTV for repeating it, I've not seen it for 35 odd years since the Channel 4 repeats and didn't really pay attention to them and who knows I might actually like it!
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Jun 19, 2020 14:11:36 GMT
18 year old Faith appears as a delinquent in a really good film that talkingpictures show, 'Never Let Go' mentioned earlier in this thread. He's also good in the David Essex film 'Stardust' & had a role in 'Minder On The Orient Express'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 16:15:26 GMT
TPTV are showing The Gentle Touch from S1 E1 starting tonight at 10pm. The Saint Thanks for that The Saint - have started watching it and thoroughly enjoying it. Even spotted my crockery on there
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Post by Dirty Epic on Jun 22, 2020 19:58:08 GMT
The Special Branch episode Stand and Deliver featuring Dennis Waterman and considered a bit of a screen test for The Sweeney is coming on TPTV shortly at 9pm.
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Post by Windy Miller on Jun 23, 2020 10:55:00 GMT
Talking Pictures - Shed loads of entertainment :-
Charming
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