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Post by Del Boy on Nov 19, 2020 16:03:57 GMT
All good points L.E. I must say I agree with a lot of them. The noise and fumes are getting worse. I can't help but feel the issue is grossly aggravated by a climbing population in said cities that frankly don't have the space for our needs. The lack of viable alternatives for transport, let alone the fact that every extra household added will add to pollution from everything from the use of fossil fuels to heat them to the rubbish people generate and throw away. Take London for example, It's a hypocritical position the authorities take to say you must not drive as the pollution is unsustainable the air quality is illegal (and it is bad) at the same time as allowing a massive population increase that has added hundreds of thousands of cars onto the diminishing London road space. The 2001 population was 7.3 million currently it is 9.1 million and rising that is unsustainable and a major factor in the pollution generated. They will in the next breath also tell you there is a housing crisis and we must build over even more of the city which is madness. I'd like to see them cap the population in all cities to the level they can reasonably sustain so that emissions don't damage the residents health. At the moment we have a position of cram them in and charge all for the privilege. Green tax is fast becoming a big income for the exchequer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 17:09:37 GMT
No doubt, congestion charges and car tax will go up in an attempt to force all the old cars off the road!! I also wonder if the UK will manufacture these splendid electric cars, or will they all have that famous, made in China sticker on them! Lol I think we all know the answer to this one!
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Post by Del Boy on Nov 19, 2020 17:21:34 GMT
The technology will be ok GC ,I'd have a Tesla tomorrow but as Sam mentions the total footprint of the vehicles needs properly investigating before this becomes necessary. Its going to involve a costly upgrade to your household electrics to facilitate these for a start and you watch energy companies start profiteering around all this.
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Post by Lord Emsworth on Nov 19, 2020 17:34:48 GMT
Picking up on a few points
I agree that there's been a conspicuous lack of joined up thinking in the UK on the broader issue re transport and that's still required e.g. there's no point making private motoring prohibitively expensive for many without viable and reasonably priced alternatives
China seem to be taking a bit of a lead on the climate emergency. Far more so than the USA which had a woeful record under Trump as we know. There's no UN climate change conference this year due to C-19 however China have unilaterally stated they will be carbon net-zero by the year 2060. Net-zero is a state in which a country’s emissions are compensated by absorptions and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. China have also announced a small but important change in its already committed target for letting its emissions “peak”, from “by 2030” to “before 2030”. This means China would not allow its greenhouse gas emissions to grow beyond that point. This is seen as a very positive move from the world’s largest emitter and will really pile the pressure onto the US and Biden.
I saw a remarkable story the other day which stated that 1% of people cause half of global aviation emissions. One percent! Here's the story, it's jaw dropping stuff...
It also highlights how by targetting the really big culprits globally we could potentially make huge strides in a short space of time
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Post by Sparky on Nov 19, 2020 17:39:03 GMT
The technology will be ok GC ,I'd have a Tesla tomorrow but as Sam mentions the total footprint of the vehicles needs properly investigating before this becomes necessary. Its going to involve a costly upgrade to your household electrics to facilitate these for a start and you watch energy companies start profiteering around all this. For a majority of houses, the Power Supply shouldn't require much in the way of modification. Older houses and powerfeeds would need to be looked at first. It'd be just a protected power feed to where ever you park your car and a socket.
I'd assume the batteries and charging equipment required will be standardised.
The bit I don't understand is how this would be metered.
If the power supply is taken from your house supply - and would have to be post meter; the additional usage will show on your electricity meter, and you will then pay for it through that. Though - imagine, an entire housing estate, some houses with two cars, others with one - all on charge at once - it'd soon mount up.
I would think substation equipment would need to be upgraded too.
The consumer will also end up paying for this upgrade too.
The alternative (possibly more costly) would be to install a new power supply to each house from the substation feeds (as they do with the streetlamps) - and then fit a charging point at each house, with it's own meter - and it be billed seperately
Not sure how any of this would work with communal parking - such as in flats.
Though, I would guess we'll all end up with a smart card or something- where you log in, charge your car up and then are either billed for it, or pay like you do with "Pay at the Pump" using a debit/bank card.
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Post by Del Boy on Nov 19, 2020 17:41:35 GMT
Picking up on a few points I agree that there's been a conspicuous lack of joined up thinking in the UK on the broader issue re transport and that's still required e.g. there's no point making private motoring prohibitively expensive for many without viable and reasonably priced alternatives China seem to be taking a bit of a lead on the climate emergency. Far more so than the USA which had a woeful record under Trump as we know. There's no UN climate change conference this year due to C-19 however China have unilaterally stated they will be carbon net-zero by the year 2060. Net-zero is a state in which a country’s emissions are compensated by absorptions and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. China have also announced a small but important change in its already committed target for letting its emissions “peak”, from “by 2030” to “before 2030”. This means China would not allow its greenhouse gas emissions to grow beyond that point. This is seen as a very positive move from the world’s largest emitter and will really pile the pressure onto the US and Biden.
I saw a remarkable story the other day which stated that 1% of people cause half of global aviation emissions. One percent! Here's the story, it's jaw dropping stuff... It also highlights how by targetting the really big culprits globally we could potentially make huge strides in a short space of time
That is an interesting article. Staggering figures around the industry. Firms are working on Electric flight Airbus Electric Flight seems some way off before this becomes viable.
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Post by Three Litre on Nov 19, 2020 18:31:04 GMT
Yep, things will have to change I'm afraid, much as though I like the old ways.
I worry about the number of people on the planet, using up the resources, its almost doubled since '74.
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Post by Batgirl on Feb 25, 2021 12:30:35 GMT
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Post by Sam Tyler on Aug 6, 2021 20:55:18 GMT
I was just about to post this in the "Little things that annoy the **** out of you" but then remembered this thread and thought it more appropriate: A few evenings ago I was discussing our cars with a mate of mine when we were approach by a self-righteous twat who'd taken it upon himself to attempt to admonish us over the use of internal combustion engine cars and that we should scrap our cars to buy electric. If I'd been in any other frame of mind I would have given him the regulation two words with the second being "off" but as I'd already been discussing electric with another mate some time ago I'd thought I'd put him in his place. His principle was that the electric car was the greenest way and that any internal combustion engine was the collaboration of Satan, Lucifer and Beelzebub. Clearly being a very woke twat he didn't like it when I told him that he was wrong and that the greenest motoring was to continue to use a pre-existing internal combustion engine car as I currently do. As I had already read an article about it >>> HERE <<< I was able to give him some figures to shoot him down in flames. Essentially the article is saying that (dependent on car, consumption etc) from a given point of deciding whether to buy a new EV or continue using an existing car, it could take a further 31,000 miles for the carbon footprint of the existing car to reach the carbon footprint of the production of a new EV before it has even turned a wheel. I found it to be an interesting read which has confirmed the thoughts I've had for a good number of years. Sam
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Post by Cartman on Aug 6, 2021 21:12:55 GMT
Discarding things which are still useful is wasteful and encourages throw away consumerism.
These green obsessives are like the brainwashed zealots of one of those crackpot American religious cults, and, in fact, I think environmentalism has become a kind of quasi religious cult itself, a doomsday one which has got out of control.
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