The Black Panther film 1977 - Discussion
Jun 26, 2022 9:46:48 GMT
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Post by Dirty Epic on Jun 26, 2022 9:46:48 GMT
Having only seen The Black Panther earlier this year I liked the minimalist approach it took to the dialogue and action of Neilson's activities and their aftermath on his victims and family too.
Donald Sumpter played the ex-Army burned out Neilson very, very well in my opinion and whether or not in truth this was a major reason for him doing what he did in the sense of a film/fiction it gave the film a sense of authenticity for me and here Neilson's a listless individual who doesn't really know how to move on from his army past so in planning these robbery and kidnap 'missions' to almost a military operation he's continuing a legacy a past he 'loves' and thinks he's getting one man up on those he thinks either owe, wronged or in a his view he looks down upon in society.
I liked Marjorie Yates role as Neilson's terrified wife too and as we've seen her in other roles with much greater dialogue and presence again the minimal approach for me works as in the real world situation Neilson's wife would most likely (if not complisant with him, which is possible?) would be terrified of him, would not want to annoy or do anything which was wrong in his opinion basically a subservient as Yates does to good effect in this role.
Also the way the Whittle kidnap is progressed through the film is good for me too, I did like how her family are on pins with paying the ransom and how it is all blown apart by the newspapers too which leads to the chain of events which ultimately lead to the tragic events here.
Yes the pacing might be slow and pausey compared to similar thriller films and dramas but again I feel it adds a air of authenticity to the robbery activities of Neilson and the Whittle kidnap too, in a way it feels kind of similar to how Euston Films Out builds up too.
Overall I'd rate this a good 8/10 maybe some production values don't hold up these days, maybe it's one of those where the truth of what happened clouds the judgement of the film as it may be 99% correct or complete... also the film for me certainly doesn't condone Neilson's actions, activities and their aftermath but I did enjoy it and would recommend it as something to see whether you come away from it liking, hating or shocked of what Neilson did in this couple of years period.
A more action oriented say Sweeney/Euston Films style wouldn't have really worked here as Neilson wasn't an average villain or armed robber as in that scene, at that time unless the 'job' had resistance they usually didn't want to use violence, guns or victims on their blags when they hit the pavement... although they sometimes did!
Again I've seen the film over 40 years on from the events so can very much appreciate why it caused the uproar and calls to ban it in 1977 as the events were very raw and this film may have been seen as a celebration of this even if it didn't intend to do so.
Yes Carty I'll try and catch that Channel 5 documentary if I can I have to admit I wasn't massively interested in Neilson until I saw the film, it's the film I took too rather than it's subject/ individuals.
Looking forward to the now/then's Gene and will try and have a look at Bathpool Park some day too the locations work you've done on this so far has been top notch and thanks again.
Donald Sumpter played the ex-Army burned out Neilson very, very well in my opinion and whether or not in truth this was a major reason for him doing what he did in the sense of a film/fiction it gave the film a sense of authenticity for me and here Neilson's a listless individual who doesn't really know how to move on from his army past so in planning these robbery and kidnap 'missions' to almost a military operation he's continuing a legacy a past he 'loves' and thinks he's getting one man up on those he thinks either owe, wronged or in a his view he looks down upon in society.
I liked Marjorie Yates role as Neilson's terrified wife too and as we've seen her in other roles with much greater dialogue and presence again the minimal approach for me works as in the real world situation Neilson's wife would most likely (if not complisant with him, which is possible?) would be terrified of him, would not want to annoy or do anything which was wrong in his opinion basically a subservient as Yates does to good effect in this role.
Also the way the Whittle kidnap is progressed through the film is good for me too, I did like how her family are on pins with paying the ransom and how it is all blown apart by the newspapers too which leads to the chain of events which ultimately lead to the tragic events here.
Yes the pacing might be slow and pausey compared to similar thriller films and dramas but again I feel it adds a air of authenticity to the robbery activities of Neilson and the Whittle kidnap too, in a way it feels kind of similar to how Euston Films Out builds up too.
Overall I'd rate this a good 8/10 maybe some production values don't hold up these days, maybe it's one of those where the truth of what happened clouds the judgement of the film as it may be 99% correct or complete... also the film for me certainly doesn't condone Neilson's actions, activities and their aftermath but I did enjoy it and would recommend it as something to see whether you come away from it liking, hating or shocked of what Neilson did in this couple of years period.
A more action oriented say Sweeney/Euston Films style wouldn't have really worked here as Neilson wasn't an average villain or armed robber as in that scene, at that time unless the 'job' had resistance they usually didn't want to use violence, guns or victims on their blags when they hit the pavement... although they sometimes did!
Again I've seen the film over 40 years on from the events so can very much appreciate why it caused the uproar and calls to ban it in 1977 as the events were very raw and this film may have been seen as a celebration of this even if it didn't intend to do so.
Yes Carty I'll try and catch that Channel 5 documentary if I can I have to admit I wasn't massively interested in Neilson until I saw the film, it's the film I took too rather than it's subject/ individuals.
Looking forward to the now/then's Gene and will try and have a look at Bathpool Park some day too the locations work you've done on this so far has been top notch and thanks again.
