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Post by Davy Freeth on Feb 9, 2020 11:20:41 GMT
Scotrail have now got HST . I haven't got on one yet but will be going to Edinburgh soon the plan is to go on first class as they are only charging a pound extra just now lol . I was travelling to Hazel grove Stockport last year and they were still using Pacers .The problem is it only had 2 carriages and we were packed in like sardines on a hot day no air conditioning and only one door was operational on one side.
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Post by Sparky on Feb 9, 2020 15:46:14 GMT
Scotrail have now got HST . I haven't got on one yet but will be going to Edinburgh soon the plan is to go on first class as they are only charging a pound extra just now lol . I was travelling to Hazel grove Stockport last year and they were still using Pacers .The problem is it only had 2 carriages and we were packed in like sardines on a hot day no air conditioning and only one door was operational on one side. I think some of the Scot-Rail HSTs may be ex GWR ones from the Paddingtong - Reading - Bristol route.
While out with my son at Doncaster before Xmas, there were a couple of GWR HSTs going into the works to re-emerge in the new Scot-Rail branding.
HSTs have (sadly) all vanished from the East Coast Mainline; I think there are some still running on the Midland. Though I gather - the older ones on the Midland route are going to be replaced with the the ones from the East Coast - as they have modified doors etc. Not sure if that is a vicious rumour.
Saw one of the new liveried Freighliner 66s yesterday at Doncaster (in the Orange livery) - it looks great.
You weren't driving were you Villian?
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Post by Davy Freeth on Feb 9, 2020 16:30:40 GMT
You were right ,This is some information i pinched off a website.
[2] Summary of the fleet
HST fleet comprising of 121 coaches and 54 power cars owned by Angel Trains and cascaded from Great Western Railway from late 2017.
Fleets will be formed into;
-17 x 5 coach with 32 (4 priority) first class seats & 278 (32 priority) standard class seats
-9 x 4 car trains with 32 (4 priority) first class seats & 206 (24 priority) standard class seats
-2 x spare power cars
5 coach formation;
1 x TFC - First class with catering provision and crew compartment,
1 x TSD - Standard class with disabled facilities, including UAT toilet,
1 x TSB - Standard class with cycle storage for two bikes,
2 x TS - Standard class
4 coach formation;
1 x TFC - First class with catering provision and crew compartment,
1 x TSD - Standard class with disabled facilities, including UAT toilet,
1 x TSB - Standard class with cycle storage for two bikes,
1 x TS - Standard class
Refurbishment programme being carried out by Wabtec Doncaster (coaches) and Brush Loughborough (power cars) from late 2017 through to May 2019
[3] Train formation and seating plans (Attached)
[4] First Class
-The existing leather seats, carpets & curtains are retained
-The GWR headrest logo on the seats, body end panel & centre partition will be replaced
-The existing tables are retained and have 1 x 240v socket and 1 x USB port per pair of seats
-Saloon lighting with LED tubes
-Large luggage stacks are provided at the end of the saloons
-Total of 32 seats with 4 designated as 'Priority'
-In addition to the catering area, there shall be provision for a small complementary self serving facility
[5] First Class interior layout (Attached)
[6] Catering and Guards' compartment
The following shall be provided in the catering & guards compartment;
-Coffee Machine
-3Kw hot water boiler
-Combination microwave oven
-Double width under counter refrigeration/chiller cabinet with glass doors
-Hand wash basin, hand towel dispenser & soap despenser
-Hot & cold water supply
-EPOS equipment space provision
-Train crew panic button facility
-Fire detector (heat) & fire blanket
-LED lighting
-Storage for up to two crew members personal belongings, including two crew bags & 3/4 length coats
-Public address & driver/guard communication handsets and equipment
-Crew seating
-Defect/repair book holder
-Guards PIS equipment controls to facilitate manual access to PIS display information
[7] Catering/Guards area concept (Attached)
[8] Standard Class
-The vehicles are fitted with "Grammar" seats, which are the same as fitted to the Inverness based Cl' 158 units (701-725)
-The seats are fitted with seat back fold down tables, armsrests and a 240v power socker per bay of seats at low level between the seats
-The seats and carpets will be replaced with Saltire branding
-Saloon interiors will be repainted including walls, window surrounds, end bulkheads, interior door headers, centre partitions & doors
-Luggage rack nosing shall be replaced if it is a moulded extrusion or cannot be repainted
-Luggage rack facia cloth shall be removed and painted
-Dado panels shall be painted or recovered
-Saloon lighting with LED tubes
-Large luggage stacks are provided at the end of the saloons
[9] Standard Class interior layout (Attached)
[10] PRM Facilities
-Each train will have two wheelchair spaces located in the TSD vehicle
-Call for aid functionality will be included using the automated PA announcement for train crew
[11] Vestibules (Attached)
-Floor covering will be renewed
-New grab poles providing compliance to the PRM-TSI standards will be fitted
-Square flat compact fluorescent tubes are fitted
-The existing emergency egress light shall be retained
-Vestibule will be painted including walls, gangway doors, ceilings, and any retained grab poles
-The existing bin assembly will be retained
-New electrical power operated exterior doors will be fitted
[12] Bicycle storage (Attached)
-The current proposal is to have space for two bikes in one vestibule end of the TSB coach
-There is provision for three bikes in each power car, which will require operational consideration due to platform lengths & station dwell times for the power car access
[13] Power Cars
-Corrosion works & relivery
-Cab improvement works - full repaint, refurbished drivers and second-mans seat
-Forward facing CCTV fitment
[14] Power Car layout (Attached)
[15] Power Car Desk
-ATP equipment isolated but left on-site
-Door interlock emergency brake override
-Door interlock isolation switch FFCCTV
[16] External power doors (Attached)
-Fitment of 'Vapour Stone' electric powered single leaf door with Wilee door control system
-Guards control panels at two doors in same vestibule in each vehicle
-Traction and brakes interlocked with all doors closed indication in Power Car cab
-Interlock temporary override plunger and permanent isolation switch in Power Car cab
-Out of service lock for each door
-Emergency Egress (Internal) and Access (External) Handle for each door
-Doors adjacent to catering area will not be converted, and will become emergency egress only
[17] Toilets & CET (Attached)
Each train will be fitted with new underframe mounted CET tanks
-Four coach trains will have three toilets - one PRM and two standard
-Five coach trains will have four toilets - one PRM and three standard
-New Semvac 'Mini MkII' vacuum toilets
-Existing water header tank - 450 per vehicle
[18] PIS
-New TrainFX PIS system (as being fitted to the Class 156 fleet)
-Saloon dot matrix display in centre of each vehicle
-Auto announcer functionality
-PA handset in three vehicles in each set
-Existing 'Gaitronics' equipment retained for crew comms from guards area to the Power Cars
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Post by Villain on Feb 9, 2020 19:56:45 GMT
Scotrail have now got HST . I haven't got on one yet but will be going to Edinburgh soon the plan is to go on first class as they are only charging a pound extra just now lol . I was travelling to Hazel grove Stockport last year and they were still using Pacers .The problem is it only had 2 carriages and we were packed in like sardines on a hot day no air conditioning and only one door was operational on one side. I think some of the Scot-Rail HSTs may be ex GWR ones from the Paddingtong - Reading - Bristol route.
While out with my son at Doncaster before Xmas, there were a couple of GWR HSTs going into the works to re-emerge in the new Scot-Rail branding.
HSTs have (sadly) all vanished from the East Coast Mainline; I think there are some still running on the Midland. Though I gather - the older ones on the Midland route are going to be replaced with the the ones from the East Coast - as they have modified doors etc. Not sure if that is a vicious rumour.
Saw one of the new liveried Freighliner 66s yesterday at Doncaster (in the Orange livery) - it looks great.
You weren't driving were you Villian?
No it wasn't me Sparky - I don't go north of Crewe on the WCML or north of Toton on the Midland route. I've not been at work for a week anyway as I'm in the middle of a period of rest days and annual leave . Villain
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Post by Three Litre on Feb 9, 2020 20:14:06 GMT
Maybe you could put a little card up in the cab window with your Villain pic on it then we'd know you were driving the train if we were on it. Or agree a code word in the announcements you have to make. Could have endless fun with that. Until the fifth floor spotted it and sacked you I guess!
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Post by Villain on Feb 10, 2020 10:24:09 GMT
Maybe you could put a little card up in the cab window with your Villain pic on it then we'd know you were driving the train if we were on it. Or agree a code word in the announcements you have to make. Could have endless fun with that. Until the fifth floor spotted it and sacked you I guess! Joking aside, we have to be very careful about what we put online (company policy, contract of employment conditions etc) and a lot of the places we go to have high quality CCTV watching everything we do! Our locos also have the railway equivalent of an aircraft's black box recorder, recording everything we do with the controls so if you get downloaded and are found using the horn too much (tooting it at spotters and photographers etc) a chat with the guvnor swiftly follows...! Villain
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Post by Three Litre on Feb 10, 2020 11:45:45 GMT
Maybe you could put a little card up in the cab window with your Villain pic on it then we'd know you were driving the train if we were on it. Or agree a code word in the announcements you have to make. Could have endless fun with that. Until the fifth floor spotted it and sacked you I guess! Joking aside, we have to be very careful about what we put online (company policy, contract of employment conditions etc) and a lot of the places we go to have high quality CCTV watching everything we do! Our locos also have the railway equivalent of an aircraft's black box recorder, recording everything we do with the controls so if you get downloaded and are found using the horn too much (tooting it at spotters and photographers etc) a chat with the guvnor swiftly follows...! Villain I can well imagine ................... pity as would probably mean a lot to kids to knowledge them. They said you weren't paying attention and might fly it into the ground or something. Or the railway equivalent.
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Post by Sparky on Feb 10, 2020 13:33:29 GMT
Maybe you could put a little card up in the cab window with your Villain pic on it then we'd know you were driving the train if we were on it. Or agree a code word in the announcements you have to make. Could have endless fun with that. Until the fifth floor spotted it and sacked you I guess! Joking aside, we have to be very careful about what we put online (company policy, contract of employment conditions etc) and a lot of the places we go to have high quality CCTV watching everything we do! Our locos also have the railway equivalent of an aircraft's black box recorder, recording everything we do with the controls so if you get downloaded and are found using the horn too much (tooting it at spotters and photographers etc) a chat with the guvnor swiftly follows...! Villain You may have just answered something there Villain.
I was aware of the "black box", but not how much it monitored. We had a go on Class 66 simulator at DB Shenkers Knottingly Depot. The instructor was keen to mention - that at all costs, we had to avoid using Horn too much, also ensuring that we acknowledged any AWS warning (the ones you have to reset with the button), kept to the line speed and under no circumstances, pass any Red signals.
The Simulator aparently also had a 'black box' which was linked to DBS head office in Germany, where they could monitor literally everything we did - status of control, track conditions, weather - and more than likely a webcam.
They were pretty hot on too much use of the Horn, speed limits - and passing a Red Signal without permission was considered as a Hanging offcence.
The instructor set me up a simulation at Night, in Fog with Sempahore Signals......
Naturally, sat at the controls - I was shi**ing myself....
Joking aside, there was a case near Skipton a couple of years ago - where on a Foot Crossing, a Young Girl was knocked down and killed by a Passenger Train. The Foot Crossing has signs, warnings etc. On the approach there are "W" boards to warn the driver to blast the horn.
So - the inquest discovered that the Girl was wearing Headphones connected to her Phone/MP3 player and had just wandered onto the crossing (obviously buried in her phone and ignoring the warnings). The Driver repeatedly sounded the Horn and complied to everything he should have done.
Though the upshot was - the Driver ended up getting investigated (for what?) and Network Rail got the blame for lack of safety on the crossing. I still don't understand why - as in my eyes, the Girl never checked if it was safe (despite the signs & warnings), she stood no chance of hearing the train approach as she was wearing headphones and too engrossed in her phone.
ASLEF made a statement - stating that Drivers weren't allowed to constantly use their horns - due to "Noise Pollution" and this created a Safety Issue.
So - had we now been in Wartime - would people these days complain about the constant sounding of the Air Raid Sirens?
Or would they take toe Facebook to moan about the Luftwaffee aircrafts disturbing them at night?
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Post by Villain on Feb 10, 2020 14:46:02 GMT
I did some of my Class 66 training on the simulator at Doncaster many years ago Sparky, it's great for learning the rules and regs but doesn't really give you the feel of driving a heavy train, nothing like it in fact. You don't get the physical sense of the weight of the train hanging behind you or pushing you down a gradient. It's all about feel - you could have the same loco and the same set of wagons every day of the week but the response you'd get from the brake would be different on each day, for instance there could be temperature variations and moisture in the braking system which the compressor hasn't quite forced out, or even wind turbulence in high sided empty wagons which can have a surprising effect on how the wagons move about in the slipstream at 60mph. My first driving turn after passing out was at night, I had to take a 66 light engine from Rugby to Wembley in thick fog, a real pea souper it was, forward visibility was down to about ten feet for most of the trip so I was relying on knowing exactly where I was (ie: my route knowledge) and relying heavily on the indications from the AWS ramps just 200 yards in advance of each signal. At 75mph most of the way the ramps and signals come at out you out of the fog in no time at all, when I got to Wembley I breathed a sigh of relief..! I've just posted some work and railway jolly boys outing smudges on another forum I'm on, user name on there is 'Rugd1022', they should appear at the bottom of this page... www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/916-creative-photography-railway-related/page/107/#comments …. I'm unable to put individual captions to the images but the locations shown are a mixture of Rugby, Oxford, Worcester, Bardon Hill (Leicestershire), Bedford, the Glos & Warks Railway, the Leicester to Oakham line including Melton Mowbray and the Severn Valley Railway. Villain
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Post by Villain on Feb 10, 2020 15:44:34 GMT
Meant to add Sparky, in response to girl on the foot crossing part of your post - it happens a lot more often than people realise, I've lost count of the number of near misses I've had at these types of crossings (there are hundreds of them on my route card), some of them just don't give a toss, tooting the horn just aggravates them, it's as if they think they have 'right of way', despite the warning signs and impending unstoppable heavy object bearing down on them. My younger brother is a passenger driver and used to be based at Peterborough, his route card took in much of East Anglia where there are thousands of foot crossings and his near misses far outnumbered mine. It's not just kids with their headphones glued to their swedes at foot crossings either, passing through certain stations during the rush hour peaks with platforms heaving with commuters id often just as bad, they stand close to the edge despite constant warnings to get back behind the yellow lines and then wonder what it was that nearly dragged them off the platform at 60mph. A lot of them look like well dressed, well educated professional types but seem to forget their common sense when they leave home for the commute into the office...! Time for tiffin! Villain
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