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Post by Sparky on May 23, 2020 7:19:43 GMT
I would imagine the films are in 1080i HD as well. Has anyone here got a 4k TV Set and seen the films upscaled ? As for the other options on the above picture such as "sidecut just" I've used them if the full pic option takes off a bit of swede whilst viewing. Rarely does that occur though. The "Just" and "Side Cut" have me intrigued now Del. Any chance you could put up a couple of shots?
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Post by Del Boy on May 23, 2020 10:13:06 GMT
Yeah , I'll do that. I wait until no family members are using it. Could be a while
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Post by Three Litre on May 23, 2020 18:27:26 GMT
Sparky, modern technology must have taken its toll over the past 30 years on employment, for example some of the cameras appear not to be manned individually anymore but controlled from a central source?
Must be other examples.
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Post by Sparky on May 24, 2020 8:24:24 GMT
I would imagine the films are in 1080i HD as well. Has anyone here got a 4k TV Set and seen the films upscaled ? As for the other options on the above picture such as "sidecut just" I've used them if the full pic option takes off a bit of swede whilst viewing. Rarely does that occur though. Managed to find a little more out (and this has answered something that has bothered me).
One of the first programmes that "Central" (Ahem "Carlton") put out in 16:9 full frame; back in 2001 was the reboot of 'Crossroads' - then made in Nottingham.
WHat puzzled me, was the entire programme was 16:9 full frame, and then when the "Carlton Production" end caption and the sponsorship trail came on, my TV would switch through Ratio modes, and then have to be set back. At the time Advert breaks were still 4:3, and broadcast in the compromise. I never understood why my TV did this - it was mostly restricted to ITV and Channel 4, and perhaps the odd BBC programme.
I have got hold of a BBC "delivery spec" book - the current one; which lays out the minimum spec for programme technical quality. Can post bits here if anyone is interested - though it's really tedious.
Most TV sets produced from 2000 onwards have additional electronics that 'detect' the black areas at the sides of the picture (pillar box) and then uses this to 'decide' and select what it thinks is the best format to view it in. At the same time, Broadcasters also include information in the signal as to what they think is the best ratio it should be viewed in.
So, some programmes, using 4:3 material (archive stuff), my look fine in 4:3, but look awful in full frame 19:9 - so broadcasters will either leave the ratio as 4:3 and put a frame and background around it to fill the 16:9 picture. Or, if it's acceptable, it will display it in the compromise, or full frame 16:9.
So - when my older TV switched through the modes, it was because it was detecting the black edges of the End Captions and Trailers, between a full frame 16:9 programme.
The BBC appears to be operating a "Tapeless" and "Paperless" production system these days. Where all video files are distributed using Dropbox.
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Post by Sparky on May 24, 2020 8:36:45 GMT
Sparky, modern technology must have taken its toll over the past 30 years on employment, for example some of the cameras appear not to be manned individually anymore but controlled from a central source? Must be other examples. That's always been the case in TV (as it will be in other industries)- the advancement of Tech and the reduction of Manpower. Don't forget, most early TV up until the 60s was either Live from the Studio or shot on Film. Even local news crews were film crews. When Tech introduced portable Video recording, news gathering was switched to use that - and a few of the Film Camera and Sound people re-trained.
With a News Film Crew - roughly up to 9 people would be needed.
Director Camera Operator Camera Assistant (to operate the Clapper Board & Focus) Sound Recordest (usually single manned)
Electrician (Lighting) Production Assistant (To keep track of stuff shot) Reporter And sometimes, a Sound Assistant, or an Electricans Assistant - if there was a load of kit.
When video came in; this was reduced to Camera Operator Sound Recordest Director Reporter.
More recently news is more than likely
Camera Operator Reporter
Today it's
Reporter sat at home with a webcam.
Give it 10 years, and it'll all be done by telepathy.
TV Companies retained a reduction of their Film Units for many years - producing Documentaries / Schools Programmes / Features / Drama.
Introduction of tech has always been controversial, as staff would either need to retrain - or lose their jobs.
The minimum staffing requirements always have to be agreed with the respective Unions. Which is why a News Film crew would need a ton of people. "Film" Crews are still like this today - it all stems from the Film Studio system.
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Post by Del Boy on May 25, 2020 20:25:24 GMT
Interesting stuff. Thanks Sparky. I suppose technology has created some jobs like remastering for instance. That said it's still a reduction of staff in total.
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Post by Dirty Epic on May 26, 2020 10:44:17 GMT
Great insights again Sparky.
I've noticed that aspect ratio switch... mainly from Wide to 16:9 on DVD's I've made up when I think the original source's ratio is slightly different to that of the other one. My TV's ratio display OSD comes up with the switch information.
I've noticed when The Sweeney etc. are on ITV4 the ratio switches between the sponsorship bumper and the start of the programme and similarly stuff on BBC I've recorded which was originally in 16:9 goes split second 4:3 at the end of the programme.
It's all compromise either try and get a good 16:9 or black bars... interesting some of these standards will still being worked out with 'new' programming right up to the late noughties.
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Post by Sparky on May 27, 2020 8:03:38 GMT
Great insights again Sparky.
I've noticed that aspect ratio switch... mainly from Wide to 16:9 on DVD's I've made up when I think the original source's ratio is slightly different to that of the other one. My TV's ratio display OSD comes up with the switch information.
I've noticed when The Sweeney etc. are on ITV4 the ratio switches between the sponsorship bumper and the start of the programme and similarly stuff on BBC I've recorded which was originally in 16:9 goes split second 4:3 at the end of the programme.
It's all compromise either try and get a good 16:9 or black bars... interesting some of these standards will still being worked out with 'new' programming right up to the late noughties. The Ratio thing is something I struggled with at first when making my own DVDs. In the production side, for TV we were either shooting 4:3 or 16:9, or 1:85 or even 2:35 for cinema. Plain and simple. When I started putting together my own DVDs, I found that certain equipment reproduced it in different ways Thinking back now, this was older equipment.
I have seen more of Challenge TV recently, and they seem to flit between 16:9 (for recent material) and 4:3 for older material. But more recently, they have begun using the 14:9 ratio for older shows.
Interestingly, the 'Classic Millionaire' episodes, that seem to date from around 2000 are shot/broadcast 4:3, as are older episodes of 'Bullseye' - and then the odd one will pop up in the compromise. Can't understand why they don't standardise.
Interestingly, the "Now thats what I call Music" 70s and 80s channels both seem to broadcast the bulk of their stuff in 16:9.
TV was still produced in 4:3 as standard up until 2000, when a date was fixed for everything to be made in 16:9. The 'compromise' was brought in to account for the older 4:3 material that had already been produced.
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Post by Del Boy on May 27, 2020 8:30:59 GMT
This stuff never seems to stand still long enough to standardise. I haven't bothered with the 4k gear which has been out a few years and is now fairly reasonable pricewise and yet before broadcasting has really caught up 8k is on the horizon. They are currently about 2 grand a go but the thing is why would you buy one yet? I suppose upscaling is a feature on these but its not going to be anytime soon that much 8k content is around.
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Post by Dirty Epic on May 27, 2020 9:35:51 GMT
This stuff never seems to stand still long enough to standardise. I haven't bothered with the 4k gear which has been out a few years and is now fairly reasonable pricewise and yet before broadcasting has really caught up 8k is on the horizon. They are currently about 2 grand a go but the thing is why would you buy one yet? I suppose upscaling is a feature on these but its not going to be anytime soon that much 8k content is around. Me neither Del, I've still got a decade old set which (touch wood) is still doing the job... personally I think 4K, Ultra HD etc. will go the way of 3D from a few years back feels a bit gimmicky a bit what's coming next as you say!
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