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Post by Cartman on Nov 5, 2023 14:31:12 GMT
Anyone else struggle with this? Seeing recent ish stuff as current when it isn't anymore. I was in Tesco earlier and a Girls Aloud song was playing, to me if was current ish, looking it up tells me it was out in 2003, so it's 20 years old. The equivalent of listening to something from 1957 in 1977, which wouldn't be regarded as up to date.
Maybe this is because of my great interest in 70s stuff contrast with my lack of interest in more recent things?
Same with motors, I struggle with seeing 90s and early 2000s ones as old cars, to me they're modern! Old cars to me are Ford 100Es and Austin Somersets!
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Post by D.C. Burtonshaw on Nov 5, 2023 19:46:45 GMT
Completely agree Cartman! It just seems so strange; I remember as a kid in about 1978-79, there was a 50's revival, possibly fueled by the film "Grease" and the US period sitcom Happy Days on TV, with the music and culture being popular with new generations of teenagers and young adults. Some started dressing like Teds and Rockers and buying and doing up old MK2 Ford Consuls and PA Crestas etc (even though there was no way the original Teds could have afforded one new then!!) Tribute bands and new artists were having hit records in the charts covering the golden oldies from the late 50's and 60's too.
After a lack of "something new" during small periods of the 70's, other than Glam Rock in the early part of the decade, and then Punk from c1976 but was fizzling out by the end of the decade and didn't appeal to everyone, and there was Disco too, but British pop culture was looking for something else pretty soon as new young people emerged on the scene. So new trends starting from 1978 approx included bringing back the past, with the Rockabilly revival, at one end then on another spectrum there was the Mod and Reggae/Ska revival after a 10 year hiatus and the new bands being formed covering some of the older Jamaican ska numbers from the 60's, then composing their own tracks influenced by the earlier sounds. And the fans started getting their older siblings clothes out the wardrobe again and buying and doing up old 60's Lambrettas and Vespas.
Now those cover records and the "revival" culture from the late 70's and early 80's sound nostalgic!
Back in '79 yes it seemed markedly different and the late 50's cars, clothing, music etc looked like they were from a half a century ago let alone a different decade! Plus compare the clothing and hair styles;
However,,,,,,,, in the last 20 years nobody bats an eyelid much if anyone is wearing clothes the same as we wore in the noughties etc.
I think since the late 90's or maybe since the turn of the 21st century the rate of new trends etc and clothing styles has slowed down a lot, and its debateable whether the music of the last 20 years has really broke any new ground (alhough there could be a couple exceptions, as has been commented on this forum before) but what has changed a lot more since say 2003 is technology and the fact practically everyone has mobile phones with the internet on them and lap tops have taken over bigger desktop computer terminals (although many workplaces probably still use them) and there's more paperless systems now.
Catch an older TV drama from the noughties and see how big the computers on the desks look and how basic the mobile phones are but I think it's really only the technology that sets the last 20 years apart.
I would say also that perhaps certain standards were set with clothing, styles, car design which haven't needed much tweaking in the last 20 years and it's only the technology that's moved on.
Maybe there's other reasons.........
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Post by Cartman on Nov 5, 2023 20:26:31 GMT
Some good points DC. I think the Ted revival of 79/80 ish was a bit of an anomaly as music then was very strong, usually revivals are during quiet periods. Punk was actually quite short lived, in itself, probably 77/8 and it evolved into New wave by the end of the 70s.
On motors, I bought my first car in 79 which was an Austin A40, mine was a 67 car, but they had come out in 1958, so it was basically a 50s car and did seem quite old alongside then current motors. The equivalent now is an early 00s one which doesn't attract any attention at all.
In some areas designs get optimised and after a period of evolution and change then settle down to bring quite static. I think planes are one, they changed massively over a relatively short period in the 1920s to the 40s, from biplanes to jets, but ones from the 50s and 60s don't really look any different to current ones
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Post by Sam Tyler on Nov 5, 2023 20:26:55 GMT
I understand where you're coming from Carty, I keep getting notifications from Brooklands Museum about an evening talk by a former Concorde pilot. It is hard to believe that it is twenty years ago this month (26th November) that the final flights were made by Concorde.
I can remember being in Hammersmith in the building opposite Colet Gardens and watching three Concordes making their final descent into Heathrow. It doesn't seem that long ago.
Sam.
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Post by Villain on Nov 6, 2023 11:21:10 GMT
It's definitely something I've noticed over the last couple of decades, which appear to have flown by. We often measure time by the popular culture of the day and I honestly think that mainstream music (for want of a better description) hasn't really changed sound wise for twenty years or so, 'chart music' sounds very much the same as it did in 2000, whereas back in the '60s and '70s things changed very rapidly, with fads coming and going every two or three years or so. Look how quickly traditional '50s rock 'n' roll turned into simple, catchy guitar based beat music, which very quickly morphed into mod / pop / rock in the mid '60s, which in turn became psychedelic rock before the blues resurgence brought things a bit more down to earth in the late '60s. Come the early '70s and a revival of '50s rock 'n' roll made itself aware in the glam rock era, while the punk thing was already growing in New York, at least four years before British punk bands began to appear. All this change happened in a time span lasting little more than a dozen years, these days many bands have gaps between albums as long as that, with little in the way of real musical change showing when they do release something new. To put this last point into stark perspective, the gap between the Beatles recording the plodding, bot meets girl 'Love Me Do' and the other worldly proto-psychedelic 'Tomorrow Never Knows' was just three and a half years. As a kid I used to enjoy watching 'UFO' which was made in 1969 / 70 but set in 1980, we're now forty three years away from that particular vision of the future. In fact, we're closer to 2068, the period 'Captain Scarlet' was set in than we are to the end of the second world war and Beatlemania! Villain
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Post by Cartman on Nov 6, 2023 18:51:03 GMT
Another thing which has brought this to mind is Poppy day which is upcoming. When I was at secondary school in the 70s, and at work, at the end of the decade, there were loads of people everywhere, teachers, people I worked with, that had served in World War 2, and there were quite a lot of old boys from World War 1 still around too, now there none from the first war and a handful from the second.
In the 70s we weren't that far away from the second war really, now it seems very distant.
Oh, Villain, I imagine that now there will be no one still working on the railway who was there when steam locos were running, and probably not many who worked in the early diesels either
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Post by Three Litre on Nov 6, 2023 19:16:43 GMT
Fifty years next year since the pilot, Reagan, aired on ITV!
Better have a special meet!
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Post by Three Litre on Nov 6, 2023 19:21:06 GMT
One thing I heard some while ago, as you age a period of 1 year is much less of a percentage of your age than when you are a child, i.e. a year when you are ten is ten percent of your life but when you are in your fifties it's a fraction of one percent.
Or it's related to how much Double Diamond you've had ..................
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Post by Villain on Nov 6, 2023 19:22:36 GMT
Another thing which has brought this to mind is Poppy day which is upcoming. When I was at secondary school in the 70s, and at work, at the end of the decade, there were loads of people everywhere, teachers, people I worked with, that had served in World War 2, and there were quite a lot of old boys from World War 1 still around too, now there none from the first war and a handful from the second. In the 70s we weren't that far away from the second war really, now it seems very distant. Oh, Villain, I imagine that now there will be no one still working on the railway who was there when steam locos were running, and probably not many who worked in the early diesels either There are definitely still a few people on the railway who started at the tail end of steam days on BR, some of the steam charter drivers for instance, who've retired and come back working for private companies. I know one who's 75 and still driving and firing on the mainline, he's very fit, doesn't look his age and passes the medical every year. Looking back, when I started on the footplate back in January '83 I was working alongside men who'd started their careers before the war. My other half's late dad started his career as a 'booking lad' in Slough East signalbox in 1946 under the GWR. As for the diesels, some of the earlier ones a re still in daily service but the later built ones make me feel old i na way, I can remember seeing the first 87s appearing in '73 and they're now long gone from BR service, likewise the 58s which appeared in '83, now all but retired from mainline service. I find myself watching classic TV shows like The Persuaders, Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) and The Saint on dvd regularly and having vivid memories of watching certain episodes the first time round as a nipper, in many cases over fifty years ago, it's quite mind blowing in a way. There's one particular episode of The Persuaders which always sticks out for me because it was shown the night before my youngest sister was born, it's the one where Roger Moore plays several members of his own family (much like Alec Guinness in Kind Hearts And Coronets), I can replay it in my head, yet it was fifty one years ago! I'm currently in the middle of changing my cars around (again!) and am looking at buying a Series 1 or 2 Jag XJ / Daimler Sovereign, cars which I remember seeing and lusting over as a kid when they were new and cost as much a new house, looking at photos and videos of them now in the for sale ads makes the intervening five decades disappear in an instant. In their day they were considered big cars with a lot of road presence and quite a large 'footprint', but put one next to a modern family car and they look like toys. They became classics over thirty years ago, yet thirty years later they're still usable cars, they've become time warps on wheels. Villain
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Post by Three Litre on Nov 6, 2023 19:25:34 GMT
Another thing which has brought this to mind is Poppy day which is upcoming. When I was at secondary school in the 70s, and at work, at the end of the decade, there were loads of people everywhere, teachers, people I worked with, that had served in World War 2, and there were quite a lot of old boys from World War 1 still around too, now there none from the first war and a handful from the second. In the 70s we weren't that far away from the second war really, now it seems very distant. Oh, Villain, I imagine that now there will be no one still working on the railway who was there when steam locos were running, and probably not many who worked in the early diesels either There are definitely still a few people on the railway who started at the tail end of steam days on BR, some of the steam charter drivers for instance, who've retired and come back working for private companies. I know one who's 75 and still driving and firing on the mainline, he's very fit, doesn't look his age and passes the medical every year. Looking back, when I started on the footplate back in January '83 I was working alongside men who'd started their careers before the war. My other half's late dad started his career as a 'booking lad' in Slough East signalbox in 1946 under the GWR. As for the diesels, some of the earlier ones a re still in daily service but the later built ones make me feel old i na way, I can remember seeing the first 87s appearing in '73 and they're now long gone from BR service, likewise the 58s which appeared in '83, now all but retired from mainline service. I find myself watching classic TV shows like The Persuaders, Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) and The Saint on dvd regularly and having vivid memories of watching certain episodes the first time round as a nipper, in many cases over fifty years ago, it's quite mind blowing in a way. There's one particular episode of The Persuaders which always sticks out for me because it was shown the night before my youngest sister was born, it's the one where Roger Moore plays several members of his own family (much like Alec Guinness in Kind Hearts And Coronets), I can replay it in my head, yet it was fifty one years ago! I'm currently in the middle of changing my cars around (again!) and am looking at buying a Series 1 or 2 Jag XJ / Daimler Sovereign, cars which I remember seeing and lusting over as a kid when they were new and cost as much a new house, looking at photos and videos of them now in the for sale ads makes the intervening five decades disappear in an instant. In their day they were considered big cars with a lot of road presence and quite a large 'footprint', but put one next to a modern family car and they look like toys. They became classics over thirty years ago, yet thirty years later they're still usable cars, they've become time warps on wheels. Villain I can just remember going on steam trains when they where in proper service, probably from Derby.
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