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Post by The Saint on Sept 12, 2015 8:44:47 GMT
I agree with you Superclassic, the Krays were murdering filth, pure and simple, I don't understand why people hero worship them. Yes they hurt other criminals, but they also hurt innocent ordinary people too.
I for one will not be seeing this film.
I will get off my soapbox now.
The Saint
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Sept 12, 2015 13:40:08 GMT
Here's a youtube clip of Charles Kray on Frank Skinner's show. Seems a lot friendlier than his brothers. I saw Babs Windsor on a show going on about how good looking he was in his youth comparing him to Steve McQueen, but he looks more like Rod Hull in this clip.
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Post by D.C. Burtonshaw on Sept 12, 2015 20:02:47 GMT
Agree Superclassic, my earlier post was perhaps too polite on the Krays re-reading it! I wish they'd been caught earlier and either got the death penalty earlier in the decade or as you said above that someone else "wacked" them. I think the police privately would have been pleased as well! It may have eventually even been the rival gang of scumbags the Richardson brothers who could have taken them out - laughably the only gang the Krays avoided (the Richardsons were VERY nasty too and in no way am I fan of them). Although I suppose if that really happened, they may have aroused more suspicion from the police and other thugs loyal to the Krays.
In an interview I'd read with one of the Richardsons as an old man now, he thought the Krays were a "Bird brains of Britain" and effing thickos!
Anyway the Krays, Richardsons, all of their ilk can rot in hell.
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Post by Bomber on Sept 14, 2015 21:07:55 GMT
Just been to see this. If you're looking for a factually correct biopic, don't go. If you're looking for a 60s gangster film that is well acted & shot, in fairness, & loosely based on the Kray twins lives, it's a good use of 2 hours. Tom Hardy does well in playing both parts. Not sure about the accents. I'm sure they'd be broader, more cockney.
7/10
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Post by Del Boy on Sept 14, 2015 21:58:13 GMT
Cheers Barry, I'm planning on seeing this film.
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Post by Dirty Epic on Sept 16, 2015 14:35:26 GMT
Cheers Barry, I'm planning on seeing this film. Me too should see it this week or next.
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Post by Del Boy on Sept 16, 2015 15:36:17 GMT
Nice one Dirt , Come back and write a review for us please
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Post by Charles Bronson on Sept 21, 2015 21:17:53 GMT
Still haven't seen the new film yet, we decided to wait for the DVD to come out instead. Hope it's entertaining, it's very rarely I like a modern film anyway. I was looking at the pictures in a book on the Krays last week in my local Tescos, and it's amazing how many people there were in Showbiz in the sixties who turned up at some of the Kray's celebrations in the East End. The twins definately courted publicity, they seemed to love the attention. I did a brief search on the web last week and some of the organised crime gangs around Britain these days, make the Krays seem like amateurs. A lot of the new gangs are from abroad and are truly worrying, lets hope the Police etc. can stop them from growing more powerful, and diminish them a bit.
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Post by Dirty Epic on Oct 8, 2015 15:15:15 GMT
Finally got around to seeing this the other night. Thought it was alright but didn’t really blow me away as much as I thought it would. Yes Tom Hardy is good (Reg particularly so) but he does over-act in some respects and channelled much of his portrayal of Bronson into this one of Ronnie and Reggie which sometimes works but doesn’t quite in others respects. Playing more to the surreal Kray folklore than the straight up crime caper style we got in The Krays – you could say Legend’s more in common with Performance and focusing on the fantasy world of the Kray’s gangster-ism it cuts to the chase and features their (brief) halcyon period in the mid to late 1960’s and the chain of events which caused their downfall – Richardson gang rivalry, Fran Kray’s suicide, George Cornell shooting, Jack ‘The Hat’ McVittie. However unlike its predecessor in which the Kemp brothers were overshadowed by a better supporting cast Legend feels like a bit of a incoherent cheap and nasty rush job and in my opinion feels like a Nick Love film meets a 50’s/60’s style period drama strange as it’s a Working Title production and (I assume) has a budget? Also Paul Anderson (who played villain Allen in the 2012 version of The Sweeney) is in this too as Kray gang lackey Albert Donoghue. This brings me on to the supporting characters like Frances (Emily Browning), ‘Ma’ Kray (Jane Wood) and ‘Nipper’ Reid (Christopher Eccleston) who I feel are shockingly underused in this. I find this strange given Eccleston’s reputation as an actor and I would’ve liked to have seen more confrontation between the Kray gang and the police/Richardson’s in Legend. Having said that this aspect was virtually ignored in The Krays too. Also locations wise it’s all feels little muddled. I think the back streets around Greenwich/Maze Hill were used and there’s some very dodgy CGI used to depict the 1960’s London city scape… perhaps given the surreal aspect of Legend it’s meant to have this look/feel but the feel of the locations could’ve been anywhere and anytime rather than swinging London in the 60’s. Is this a bad film then? Well yes and no. I feel it’s a bit of a missed opportunity (cash in) and the way this story was told in The Krays was in my opinion better. However it is worth seeing for Hardy’s portrayal of Reg Kray (let alone Ronnie) and does have some interesting moments if you ignore it’s flaws. Overall I’d say it’s just short of a 7/10 not the best but not the worst either.
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Post by Sam Tyler on Oct 8, 2015 21:24:25 GMT
Great review Dirty, thanks for that
I've heard a lot about the film but no decent reviews with the comparative review of The Krays like yours.
The Nick Love intimation is off-putting but I'll still be going along for a viewing.
Sam.
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