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Post by Nightfly on Apr 6, 2024 12:22:43 GMT
This gender stuff has got out of control. The thing is, anyone who calls it out gets abuse, J K Rowling for example. It's been allowed to fester unchecked. I know what you mean. Don't get me wrong, there have been a lot of positive changes since the 70s. I was recently reading about women in the 70s not being able to get credit cards or mortgages without the application being signed off by husbands/fathers and it's weird to think that in my lifetime a law had to be passed for equal pay. I would defend anyone getting harassed because of their orientation, religion, lifestyle etc. However, recently it has been strange writing emails and wondering if I should be putting something else other than he or she if I have to refer to them within the email to avoid embarrassment/misgendering (if that's the correct term). In 20 years time, will people look back and think it ridiculous that I had to even think about that? It's an interesting discussion. However, aside from that, other important things in the decline of society that shouldn't be overlooked:- The rise of manufactured boy and girl bands, Autotune, "Trout pout" selfies and Botox, the withdrawal of the sale of Mint Cracknell bars and Birds Eye Crispy Pancakes.
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Post by Cartman on Apr 6, 2024 12:33:35 GMT
Strongly agree about sexism, that is real progress, and racism too, but I can't get my head round this they/them stuff, that's just stupid.
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Post by Sam Tyler on Apr 6, 2024 18:18:27 GMT
It is interesting how this topic has veered slightly but to me it is strange how attitudes vary with different 'minority' groups.
I realise we all have to tread carefully not to offend and, quite rightly, all should be inclusive such that minority groups should not be pigeon-holed or side-lined. However I do find it odd that some phrases or terminology to describe a person from a minority group can both be considered offensive if used by someone outside of that group yet acceptable for members within the group.
Case in point, this was raised at an HR inclusivity course that I was one of the attendees: for some years the word "Queer" was considered a homophobic slur and should not be used to describe someone that was homosexual or bisexual. Now however, with the great progress made through acceptance of differing sexualities and LGBTQ+, the Q within the community refers to "Questioning" or "Queer".
Hearing that raised did make me wonder when that change of acceptability occurred, whether it is only acceptable for use by the members within the community, or whether it is also acceptable for me as a hetero to use it in general discussion as we can with Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual.
Sam.
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Post by Cartman on Apr 6, 2024 19:10:11 GMT
Good points there Sam. I find some of this stuff rather difficult and, tbh, it's outside my comfort zone! My aim in the question was, as much as anything, about life generally, music, motors etc. I don't want to veer into politics as I like the fact that 4:3 doesn't
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Post by Nightfly on Apr 6, 2024 22:08:47 GMT
Hearing that raised did make me wonder when that change of acceptability occurred, whether it is only acceptable for use by the members within the community, or whether it is also acceptable for me as a hetero to use it in general discussion I'm led to believe that if a community is slurred, then using the term just within the community is seen as "ownership" and deflates the slur somewhat, which I can understand the logic of. But it's not exclusive. I have two friends from a community, one of which will freely use the term and the other who hates it. Anyway, steering away from the society related stuff, although this might also be controversial.... whilst I have fond memories of the cars of the 60s to 80s, I find reliability has improved over the years. I've not had to call out the RAC in 14 years, whilst before that I used to get invited to the staff parties I was so well known
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Post by Cartman on Apr 6, 2024 22:18:40 GMT
I think 60s and 70s cars were variable in quality, you seemed to either get a good one of a bad one. My 1967 Austin A40 was definitely a good one, it was practically 100% reliable, so was Dad's 1971 Austin 1100, but I knew other people at that time who seemed to have constant troubles with their cars. Modern ones are probably more consistently reliable, but I find them terminally boring as well as ugly
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Post by Nightfly on Apr 6, 2024 22:48:11 GMT
As far as music is concerned, standards have gone down in my opinion. However, is it sometimes just an age thing? Didn't we all have Dads who sat watching TOTP with us back in the day commenting "What's this rubbish?". I'm playing Devil's Advocate here... I don't know the answer. One of things that can either be seen as good or bad is the ability to showcase music and build a following via social media. Years ago, you needed to convince someone to give you a record deal who would then invest premium rate studio time and even then you were in the hands of the big music companies. Now it's possible to produce a song in your bedroom, release and promote it yourself. It leads to a lot of dross, but then again if you're no good then the punters will swipe left, or whatever they do on Tiktok or the other platforms to move to the next one. Interesting too that a few years ago you would see photos of vinyl on a turntable on Facebook with text along the lines o f Kids today don't even know what this is... Yet recently turntable and vinyl sales have increased and some of the kids today are getting into it. Full circle?
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Post by Cartman on Apr 7, 2024 8:52:36 GMT
Maybe, although my Mum and Dad did like some of the stuff on TOTP in the 70s/early 80s, He thought Bohemian Rhapsody was brilliant and liked Abba and Blondie, and Mum liked Wham.
My lad, who is now 17, listens to stuff I just can't understand why anyone could possibly like, although a few years back he did listen to music which was listenable to, like One Direction and a few other bits. Age thing again!
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Post by Nightfly on Apr 7, 2024 10:17:26 GMT
With TV, I think the rot set in around 2000 with reality TV. When executives found out they could get an audience just by putting a bunch of people in a house, recording them 24/7 and getting the viewers to vote them out, they must have thought they had struck gold.
On the positive side, we got LOM/A2A and some great dramas which stand equally with the ground breaking shows made 20-30 years earlier.
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Post by Gene Hunt on Apr 7, 2024 16:07:13 GMT
Maybe, although my Mum and Dad did like some of the stuff on TOTP in the 70s/early 80s, He thought Bohemian Rhapsody was brilliant and liked Abba and Blondie, and Mum liked Wham. My lad, who is now 17, listens to stuff I just can't understand why anyone could possibly like, although a few years back he did listen to music which was listenable to, like One Direction and a few other bits. Age thing again! I always have a smile on my boat when I am given a lift in any of my kids cars because as soon as I get in and they fire up, on comes the sound system with what they were listening to on the previous journey when I wasn't in there with them - and it's always stuff like Fleetwood Mac, Blue Oyster Cult, 10CC, Eagles, Stranglers etc. Gene.
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