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Post by DI Alex Drake on May 3, 2020 20:45:31 GMT
Quite right Sparky, like getting the size of the gravel on the ground right, which it is. Good pics! When I go to Model Railway exhibitions, I like to look at the trains running, but also pay a lot of attention to the little details and "Easter Eggs" they add in - and the lengths people go to. It amazes me.
My lads railway - currently under construction, is set in the 70s, so will have a lot of British Rail "Blue" locos running. I picked up a 00 Gauge "NHK" (with actual NHK plates) for £4.50, which we will add. My son asks if we can make a film unit, shut off a street and have a scene of them shooting the "Sweeney".
I need to look in to what vans and trucks they'd have been using in 1974 (I think Samuelsons equipment hire used Navy Blue Trucks), and Cine-Hire UK had similar Bedford or Luton Vans with side and back shutter doors for Grip Trucks.
Need to find something as a Generator truck, a route master (for catering).
That would be amazing! Dad's layout did once have Gene's Cortina parked at a dodgy angle outside the (train) station but I clawed that particular model back a few years ago.
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Post by Sparky on May 3, 2020 21:02:05 GMT
When I go to Model Railway exhibitions, I like to look at the trains running, but also pay a lot of attention to the little details and "Easter Eggs" they add in - and the lengths people go to. It amazes me.
My lads railway - currently under construction, is set in the 70s, so will have a lot of British Rail "Blue" locos running. I picked up a 00 Gauge "NHK" (with actual NHK plates) for £4.50, which we will add. My son asks if we can make a film unit, shut off a street and have a scene of them shooting the "Sweeney".
I need to look in to what vans and trucks they'd have been using in 1974 (I think Samuelsons equipment hire used Navy Blue Trucks), and Cine-Hire UK had similar Bedford or Luton Vans with side and back shutter doors for Grip Trucks.
Need to find something as a Generator truck, a route master (for catering).
That would be amazing! Dad's layout did once have Gene's Cortina parked at a dodgy angle outside the (train) station but I clawed that particular model back a few years ago. I saw a layout years ago that had built a Garage next to the station, inside the Garage they had a car jacked up on a ramp, someone under it working, and even gone to the lengths to have a flickering lamp as a "welder". Only a simple effect, but it really set the scene I've seen some with working Fairgrounds, Trams and Cable cars. I've been looking for a Life on Mars "Cortina" and an Ashes "Quatro".
When it comes to the trucks for the 70s film unit, I may need to ask for help from some of the Vehicle experts on here - need to look into what the hire companies were using back then.
Saying that - when I first started with Central in the 90s, they still had vehicles on the road that had some ATV branding on them. They were the old "T" Reg, so either 1978/79 registered.
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Post by Sparky on May 4, 2020 6:50:49 GMT
Wow!
Central had some like this. They were the old ATV ones - done up in Yellow and Blue. I think the Thames ones were two shades of blue.
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Post by Three Litre on May 4, 2020 8:04:08 GMT
Wow!
Central had some like this. They were the old ATV ones - done up in Yellow and Blue. I think the Thames ones were two shades of blue.
Looks chunky. Must have had to carry some weight by the look of the double axle.
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Post by DI Alex Drake on May 4, 2020 10:42:48 GMT
That would be amazing! Dad's layout did once have Gene's Cortina parked at a dodgy angle outside the (train) station but I clawed that particular model back a few years ago. I saw a layout years ago that had built a Garage next to the station, inside the Garage they had a car jacked up on a ramp, someone under it working, and even gone to the lengths to have a flickering lamp as a "welder". Only a simple effect, but it really set the scene I've seen some with working Fairgrounds, Trams and Cable cars. I've been looking for a Life on Mars "Cortina" and an Ashes "Quatro".
When it comes to the trucks for the 70s film unit, I may need to ask for help from some of the Vehicle experts on here - need to look into what the hire companies were using back then.
Saying that - when I first started with Central in the 90s, they still had vehicles on the road that had some ATV branding on them. They were the old "T" Reg, so either 1978/79 registered.
I don't think they do a Quattro in the right scale but they do a Cortina. I can't see any of the actual Mars one on eBay at the moment (there are some in similar colours for about £6) but it doesn't look like anyone has that one for sale just now. I'll keep an eye out and alert you if I see one! The welding lighting sounds very cool. The weird thing I find about a lot of layouts that you can go and visit is they maybe put in a lot of details but they almost never weather anything, so everything is painfully clean - especially the locos. My dad's trains are mostly weathered to within an inch of their lives .
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Post by Sparky on May 4, 2020 11:01:59 GMT
Wow!
Central had some like this. They were the old ATV ones - done up in Yellow and Blue. I think the Thames ones were two shades of blue.
Looks chunky. Must have had to carry some weight by the look of the double axle. Yes, looks like a Camera truck. The back section where the chap is stood wouold be used for carrying cable drums, cameras, stands, whatever is relavant to the truck. Inside - behind the front cab (note the reverse seating), would be a control desk, and a bank of small monitors. I would expect there'd be a diesel small generator on the back somewhere too.
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Post by Sparky on May 4, 2020 11:04:24 GMT
I don't think they do a Quattro in the right scale but they do a Cortina. I can't see any of the actual Mars one on eBay at the moment (there are some in similar colours for about £6) but it doesn't look like anyone has that one for sale just now. I'll keep an eye out and alert you if I see one! The welding lighting sounds very cool. The weird thing I find about a lot of layouts that you can go and visit is they maybe put in a lot of details but they almost never weather anything, so everything is painfully clean - especially the locos. My dad's trains are mostly weathered to within an inch of their lives . That is a shame. I'd love a Quatro in that scale.
Indeed, a lot of the layouts don't have weathered locos, and look brand new. My brother went through a phase of weathering his, and again there was a knack to it - too much or too little and in the wrong places and it would look dreadful. But the weathered look certainly does make a difference.
Shame many don't do it with the cars.
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Post by D.C. Burtonshaw on May 4, 2020 18:01:36 GMT
The make of truck chassis which has the body built on it, is Stonefield. It looks like a P5000 model if it's a 6 x 4 drivetrain.
Just had a little Butchers at my 1981 Observers book of Commercial vehicles and Stonefields started production from 1978 started by a Jim McKelvie (who previously started to market Volvo commercial vehicles to the UK). It appears most of them were powered by petrol engines; Ford 3 litre V6 Essex, or 5.2 litre Chrysler V8! Must have been gas guzzlers! The firm based in Cumnock Ayrshire Scotland, made 4 x 4, 6 x 4, and 6 x 6 drivetrain trucks for the military, forest use, use abroad, and airport fire engine versions, as well as the above.
Sadly I don't think the company are still around and had various financial ups and downs, receivership, interested buyers etc, before fizzling out around 1981.
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Post by D.C. Burtonshaw on May 4, 2020 18:07:46 GMT
Alex, your dad certainly did a magnificent job on those stock car models - can't go wrong on accuracy! Which some model makers don't always do 100%.
As for "weathered" models of cars etc, Corgi in the Vanguards range (and some of the overseas die cast makers) have been know to make realistic dirtied cars and vans, replicating rally cars or off road vehicles, as well as MK1 Ford Transit vans weathered with road film and dirt all over. Amusingly slogans like "Also in white" and a rolled up copy of the sun on the dashboard. There were also ropey cars done like a Morris Marina with a primer painted wing, and a coathanger aerial, a dirty white Allegro and a P6 Rover with a local authority notice on the windscreen but 1/43 scale is probably a bit big for model railway layouts!
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