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Post by Charles Bronson on Oct 11, 2021 13:42:18 GMT
There was a very good programme on BBC4 last night at 9pm, Timeshift: 007 at the BBC. Lots of interesting interviews and clips. Even had Roger Moore playing Bond in 1964 in a skit on some US show I think. Also Connery extolling the virtues of the script for Diamonds, really? The weakest of his Bonds I thought. Well worth a watch. Completely agree with you about Diamonds Are Forever. I've never been keen on it.
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Post by Del Boy on Oct 11, 2021 14:29:11 GMT
I will certainly be giving the latest Bond a go soon, I have no doubt it will be in cinemas for the next 18 months so it makes the most 'buck' as it were!!! Look forward to a review when you have seen it Palmer.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Oct 11, 2021 18:12:07 GMT
The thing is the Fleming novels were written in the 50's & 60's, very much of their time & were arguably 'out of date' in terms of content even in the late 60's, the novel of 'Live And Let Die' for instance has a chapter titled 'N****r Heaven'.
Once Connery & Moore's tongue in cheek take on the character had its day it was inevitable that the 'franchise' would devolve into the action film format with Bond just being a token figure. If they wanted to make a pure Bond film they'd need to make it a period film set at least 50 years ago, complete with now unacceptable attitudes. That's why it doesn't make sense when people say a 'Black Bond' shouldn't happen, there's absolutely no reason why Bond should remain White as presumably people of all backgrounds work as 'secret agents', I believe Colin Salmon was considered for the part in the 80's or 90's.
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Post by Del Boy on Oct 11, 2021 21:10:43 GMT
I agree, the 50s derived stuff doesn't fit in the modern day films, after all it is approximately 60 years on from most of the novels. Take that DB5 for instance, it gets smashed up every time he uses it and its rebuilt even better than before. What utter tosh. Bond of today would have a new Aston at least to keep up with modern traffic ! Since all of the novel based films are long since finished, why persist with the tie ins ? The producers and writers have had great opportunities to introduce new characters to go with the modern storylines. Everything else is written for each specific movie anyway so they could of done that.
Are they just flogging the horse for every last dollar ? Seems that way.
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Post by Palmer on Nov 2, 2021 16:59:01 GMT
I went to see the new Bond film last night and I have to say I really rather quite liked it...
For a bit of escapism and a bit of adventure it pressed all the right buttons for me!!
I concede that these films have become bloated with almost too much action but it still worked.
If only the product tie-ins thing could be reduced a tad!
Enjoyable, exciting and a good way to kill a couple of hours...
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Post by Del Boy on Nov 2, 2021 23:20:01 GMT
It's the way to look at it Palmer, most people I know have enjoyed the film, some have been critical. The producers have said that the franchise will be rebooted every once in a while and I suppose that allows movement away from Bonds oh so long past. Probably the right thing to do now after all this time as Bond is in "it's all been done before" territory. Looks like the future will be a mini series of style changes then reboot again!
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Post by Palmer on Nov 8, 2021 13:17:01 GMT
It's the way to look at it Palmer, most people I know have enjoyed the film, some have been critical. The producers have said that the franchise will be rebooted every once in a while and I suppose that allows movement away from Bonds oh so long past. Probably the right thing to do now after all this time as it's in it's all been done before territory. Looks like it's going to be mini series of style changes and reboot again! Without giving too much away this is the first time that the 007 franchise has been 're-booted' in such a gung-ho manner since 1962 (and that was not a 're-boot' just a massive, historical cinematic event/franchise launch)!! I'm still boggled of mind since seeing this most recent instalment... If you haven't seen it I'd urge you to give it a go (but with a widely open mind)! Actually, thinking about it... Can you imagine being an avid Bond novel reader and then seeing the first feature film way back in 1962?!?! That must have raised many an eyebrow in a much bigger way than changes of Bond actors do today???!!! Food for thought perhaps...??
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Post by Del Boy on Nov 8, 2021 23:52:06 GMT
They most certainly would have been a revelation. To be able to see the corners of the globe that Fleming describes so well must of been fantastic to see on the big screen. There is a lot of faith towards the books in the 60s films, a tasteful amount of Hollywood special effects added to the Connery films embellished things to an acceptable level. The biggest deviations are the endings of the films, to me they have mixed results where sometimes the film script is an improvement at other times the novel fits best. Fleming wasn't a fan of Connery's appointment to portray his creation but was won over once he met Sean and saw his work on set.
It's been a good experience to read a novel then watch it's namesakes film.
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Post by Sam Tyler on May 16, 2022 18:36:01 GMT
"Every mission has led to this" That seems reminiscent of Spectre too. Sam. With "No Time To Die" now available on BritBox Annie, myself and our youngest daughter sat down for a viewing a couple of nights ago. I must admit that I wasn't holding out too much hope after the CGI-fest and lazy writing that the cack that was "Spectre" gave us but I viewed it with as much open mind as I could. What can I say? I think the Billie Eilish theme puts the viewer on a downer from the start and it spirals down from there. What was telling that for the first time ever for a Bond film Annie asked me how long the film was and then from there periodically she was asking how long it still had to go. Once again the lazy writing bought back the old adversaries but at least there wasn't quite so much CGI. It was still quite evident but none of the unrealistic crap that "Spectre" dealt up. So that was that, summed up by Annie when she remarked that there were two and a quarter hours that could have been spent productively and that we'll never get back. We did disagree on one thing though, she thought that it was worse than "Spectre" whereas I still maintain "Spectre" to be the pits and "No Time To Die" a very close second. Who will be the next Bond I wonder? Whoever it may be, after the last few excursions there's not a great deal to live up to. Time to recheck BritBox to see if "Octopussy" or "The Spy Who Loved Me" is available and to watch a proper Bond film. Sam.
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Post by Del Boy on May 16, 2022 19:48:28 GMT
Can't say I'm surprised Sam. A lot of people I know enjoyed the movie, many thought it ridiculous, it does divide opinion. I decided not to watch it as I've been disappointed since Casino Royale. A Quantum Of Bull**** was a poor follow up and so it went on. After Spectre I decided that I wasn't going to bother anymore. God knows what the next batty idea for this character will be.
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