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Post by Three Litre on Mar 12, 2020 20:27:53 GMT
All of those issues are dealt with in the documentary Sparky. I've now finished it. It's really interesting and very well done.
The way it is portrayed in the documentary, the West Yorkshire Police were incompetent rather than corrupt (at least as far as the Yorkshire Ripper goes).
The hoax tape completely derailed the investigation - but it is not clear why the senior officers found it so compelling and the Byford Report (which you can now read online) was especially critical of this catastrophic mistake
The WY Police had some strong evidence against Sutcliffe (tyre marks, a fiver he was paid with at Clarks, his workplace, eyewitnesses, survivors who had heard his voice and knew he was from Yorkshire) and yet they couldn't put it together
It was actually beat cops in Sheffield (South Yorkshire) who caught him during a routine stop.
Indeed, I think it was more lack of proper experience with West Yorkshire Police than it was Corruption. I think at first - some of the Murders weren't linked - though had evidence been looked at more carefully, they could have been.
I would think, that's why they have Murder Squads and such these days.
I suppose, it shows why the Met Police for years had different squads - Fraud Squad, Organised Crime Squad, Drug Squad, Vice Squad and of course, the Flying Squad - they all have detectives who specialise in certain areas of crime - where they were supposed to share intel.
In the "Sweeney" - the rivalry between the groups was shown a bit too - esp in "Supersnout" and I think in "Regan".
Indeed, a couple of Uniformed Cops stopped Sutcliffe in Sheffield. The same thing happened with the "Black Panther" - he was stopped in Mansfield by Uniform Cops for a faulty Brake Light or something daft.
Quite startling incompetence and even more startling that the government has never really got a grip on it i.e. police leadership. Look at the mess Sou Yorkshire made of the girls being abused by asian men because they were too afraid or incompetent in following where the evidence led. Operation Midland where they spent a huge amount of money on a non crime because they didn't check the evidence. Not sure what they have to do to get it in the neck. Shoot the Queen?
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Post by Sparky on Mar 12, 2020 20:28:51 GMT
I really enjoyed the 'Red Riding' three parter, particularly the first one '1974', it was very well done all round. The large detached house that Sean Bean's character lived in struck a chord as one of my relatives lived in a similar sprawling gaff in the early '70s, my cousins and I used to visit from time to time and we always felt as though we were entering a different world. Strange to think than in less than twelve months time it'll be forty years since the ripper was caught and arrested. Villain They shot "1974" as a single episode, and then (possibly due to time and budget) - shot "1980" and "1983" back to back. So actors were jumping between sets - some serious logistics in the way actors were booked were required.
I never thought nothing of any of the episodes - more than likely because each episode was shot in bits, out of sequence (as normal). Once it was shown - I was very impressed - and went and brought the books.
A bit was shot at Hatfield & Stainforth, beside the Railway line towards Hull - and the (recently closed) Hatfield Colliery and Coal Sidings.
I think "1974" was more inspired by Yorkshire Ripper era.
The later episodes ran parallel to the High Ranking Peadophile Rings that became news more recently.
I can't believe it's 40 years since Sutcliffe was locked up. Wasn't he trying to get Parole?
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Post by Sparky on Mar 13, 2020 11:06:36 GMT
Here's a Radio Documentary from 1981 - when Sutcliffe was locked up. According to the intro, it was broadcast on the day he was sent down.
Had he been convicted 20 years earlier - he'd have gone to the Gallows.
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Post by Where's The Money on Apr 11, 2020 11:52:37 GMT
Watched this documentary when first broadcast. I thought it was top notch. The general language used regards the victims was appallingly sexist. The dreadfully harsh looking photos of the victims, used by the media were almost similar to those of the victims of The London Ripper 100 years earlier. All in all, a right dogs dinner of an investigation and very few individuals come out of this with much credit.
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Post by Cartman on Apr 11, 2020 14:05:19 GMT
Remember the case very well as it was a huge news story at the time and at least one of the killings was in Manchester. The investigation was incompetent in the extreme, Sutcliffe was pulled in more than once, there was a very strong lead with a five pound note and the forensic team were on the right lines tracing his car, which they narrowed down to either a mark 1/2 Cortina or a Corsair, but these leads were ignored.
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