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Post by Arthur Pringle on Feb 5, 2020 20:38:59 GMT
I think all but a minority of popular journalists are professional shit stirrers That's why it's important that the public doesn't provide them with ammunition. To me this means being vocal about the things you can change & pragmatic about the things you can't, reaching a compromise as the popular press are not interested in giving anyone a fair hearing.
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Post by Cartman on Feb 5, 2020 20:46:21 GMT
A couple of points on the Cambridge uni story, firstly it's in the Daily Heil, which just lives to whip up its readership, mostly Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells types, into a state of apoplectic fury and thus us just the kind of thing they like. As has been pointed out, the army haven't been barred, they have just been asked not to being weapons in.
I'm actually a bit surprised that they would have done thus anyway, but I don't see why anyone would take offence at it, they will be supervised and won't he left lying around. One good thing about our country, in contrast to the US, in particular is our attitude to guns, we don't have their insane gun culture and access to them is well controlled.
If you are not interested in a career in the military then just ignore their stand. It's not something I would ever have wanted to do, Dad and grandad were both in the army, not out of choice, world wars 1 and 2, neither were very enthusiastic about it!
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Post by Del Boy on Feb 5, 2020 21:36:01 GMT
I tried to find a more balanced reported view point of this by comparing newspapers from accross the spectrum, however The Guardian, Independent and Observer seem to have not bothered with it. The Telegraph reports that it is both the presence of the personal and the weapons that could trigger mental health issues etc . This can really all be boiled down to two things firstly, it is a poorly thought out motion from the students involved considering the military have paid the ultimate sacrifice in maintaning the freedom to which they enjoy. This of course would have included Cambridge alumni! Secondly It is fashionable to be progressive and challenging to traditions in this country. I suspect the students involved are trying to make a name for themselves. Personally I think they are wrong. The military is a necessity and has a long proud association with the university. De platforming them or anyone is intolerant. This is their ultimate goal as the they state the aim is to ultimately demilitarize the university.
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Post by Three Litre on Feb 5, 2020 21:50:48 GMT
^ I was going to delete this message but I was too late - I can't edit it or delete it
Pay me no heed. I don't want a barney about it
It's tough being more of the metropolitan liberal elite Nothing wrong with different opinions on this forum Em. We've got Gene Hunt in charge , not Kim Hunt-un! Nor Gene Trump either.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Feb 6, 2020 0:23:58 GMT
Would be easy if the politicians, religious leaders & dictators fought their own battles. Very easy to be anti war as all it takes is the moral argument against it. However I do think the government/MOD has a duty to paint as realistic a view as they can of what to expect & afterwards, you don't see any limbless, wheelchair bound soldiers on benefits in the tv ads. If war is a crime, we ought to be prioritising the victims, doesn't the fact that veterans are often forgotten about & reliant on charity prove we aren't doing that?
At the end of the day, if I had a son who wanted to join the Army I'd ask him to think very deeply about it. They get an idea to join based on the positives ( adventure, camaraderie, fighting an enemy, etc. ) not the negatives. You can put a positive & negative spin on any job, what people require is as close to the truth as you can give them, then at least they'll go into it fully informed. Maybe the military does that, my guess is it's not in their interests to be 100% honest, given the problems they have recruiting. Though as they say 'if you can't take a joke...'.
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Post by Sparky on Feb 6, 2020 6:54:46 GMT
But where does that leave the journalists who blow the story up and make it something inflammatory? They are mature adults. Why not ignore it or laugh about it? Why seek to get outraged about it?
Because it's click bait and gets people on their page looking at the adverts etc. Stories like this are manna from heaven for the likes of The Daily Mail. Don't believe the hype. As the press and Journalists have crept into the debate, does anyone remember this piece of delicious television on Newsnight some years ago regarding the the News of the World phone hacking scandal.
I have quite a lot of time for Steve Coogan and admire Greg Dyke a bit - sit back, enjoy and watch them both rip the News of the World apart... Also - listen out for the odd Alan Partridge line too...
Coogan is literally seconds away from decking the NOTW editor...
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Post by Sam Tyler on Feb 10, 2020 10:42:18 GMT
Two new candidates for Room 101 that have just come to my attention:
Galentine's Day and Palentine's Day!
Galentine's Day: "Observed on February 13, the day before Valentine’s Day, Galentine’s Day celebrates platonic friendships among women."
Palentine's Day: "Also observed on February 13th when you celebrate your love for your lady or guy friends, single or not."
It seems that greetings cards are also available for both 'celebrations'!
WTF? Really?
Now I think Valentine's Day is pony, as does Annie, as no-one should be dictated to on when feelings should be expressed since they should be expressed throughout the year in one form or another rather than on one day determined years ago in a successful PR campaign.
Obviously I can't subscribe to Galentine's Day but I can imagine the response from any of my mates if I were to give them a card for Palentine's Day - Gene's expression of "Don't be such a Jessie" would be far surpassed with a string of expletives! And my mates could expect the same if any of them were to send me a greeting for it.
Apparently these 'celebratory days' have been running for a few years now but who really subscribes to such tosh? I can't think of any real-life people I know that would give these days a second glance.
Or are these companies that promote it all preying on the gullible?
Sam.
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Post by Sparky on Feb 10, 2020 13:17:59 GMT
Galentine's Day: "Observed on February 13, the day before Valentine’s Day, Galentine’s Day celebrates platonic friendships among women."
Palentine's Day: "Also observed on February 13th when you celebrate your love for your lady or guy friends, single or not."
It seems that greetings cards are also available for both 'celebrations'!
Oh FFS!
Mind you - we must think of those all important commercial Card & Gift shops - they need something to keep turning over a profit and thus rewarding the board with nice bonuses each year.
Has this idea come from the USA by any chance?
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Post by Vienna on Feb 10, 2020 15:02:29 GMT
Two new candidates for Room 101 that have just come to my attention:
Galentine's Day and Palentine's Day!
Galentine's Day: "Observed on February 13, the day before Valentine’s Day, Galentine’s Day celebrates platonic friendships among women."
Palentine's Day: "Also observed on February 13th when you celebrate your love for your lady or guy friends, single or not."
Sam. I've never even heard of these so-called days, Sam Then again, it seems a long time ago that I took part in anything connected with Valentine's Day Vi
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Post by Cartman on Feb 10, 2020 18:20:16 GMT
Valentines day fills me with.... . nostalgia 😁
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