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Post by Sparky on May 9, 2021 7:37:56 GMT
I'm surprised Ken Loach tricked those kids until getting whacked like that, that's taking his realistic style into dangerous territory, but it does make for a convincing scene.
I think it might have been a thing with some of the directors in the 70s going for realism. Apparently Alan Clarke whilst directing the murder ball scene in the gym in Scum announced "OK, murder ball scene now... be careful everyone". Then went privately to one team and whispered, "Watch yourselves.. I hear the lads on the other team intend to start some trouble", then said the same thing to the other team. Franc Roddam did something similar on the beach fight scenes in Quadrophenia - "These policeman extras aren't taking this seriously. When we roll, hit them for real". With Quadrophenia - that used many volunteers for the fight scene, it wasn't easy to control them all.
I did a job 5 or 6 years ago for the BBC, much of it was shot in a Secondary School during the autumn 1/2 term - and the BBC (in their wisdom) invited the school to provide 150 odd mixed age/sex Pupils and Staff as extras to fill up the school hall, playground and generally be around.
For the Director and First & 2nd ADs, It was a pain in the backside keeping control of them all, as their level of film making stopped at wandering around with a mobile phone. And the process was quite tedious.
Many didn't understand why something as simple as a group of kids walking into school would take most of the morning to shoot.
With the film, "The Shining" - in the scene where actress Shelley Duval runs out in the snow to the maze - Kubrik on purposely wound up Duval -during previous takes he'd stop her mid performance, constantly, until she was literally seething. So when she runs out of that door into the snow - seething, screaming - it's a real reaction. It's all that aggression coming out in her character.
He did a similar thing with Jack Nicholson - prior to the 'Here's Johnny' Scene.
I think - as a Director, if you are known and have a good track record - you can get away with pretty much anything with actors. An unknown would just stick to the rules.
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Post by Three Litre on May 9, 2021 9:09:19 GMT
I think it might have been a thing with some of the directors in the 70s going for realism. Apparently Alan Clarke whilst directing the murder ball scene in the gym in Scum announced "OK, murder ball scene now... be careful everyone". Then went privately to one team and whispered, "Watch yourselves.. I hear the lads on the other team intend to start some trouble", then said the same thing to the other team. Franc Roddam did something similar on the beach fight scenes in Quadrophenia - "These policeman extras aren't taking this seriously. When we roll, hit them for real". With Quadrophenia - that used many volunteers for the fight scene, it wasn't easy to control them all.
I did a job 5 or 6 years ago for the BBC, much of it was shot in a Secondary School during the autumn 1/2 term - and the BBC (in their wisdom) invited the school to provide 150 odd mixed age/sex Pupils and Staff as extras to fill up the school hall, playground and generally be around.
For the Director and First & 2nd ADs, It was a pain in the backside keeping control of them all, as their level of film making stopped at wandering around with a mobile phone. And the process was quite tedious.
Many didn't understand why something as simple as a group of kids walking into school would take most of the morning to shoot.
With the film, "The Shining" - in the scene where actress Shelley Duval runs out in the snow to the maze - Kubrik on purposely wound up Duval -during previous takes he'd stop her mid performance, constantly, until she was literally seething. So when she runs out of that door into the snow - seething, screaming - it's a real reaction. It's all that aggression coming out in her character.
He did a similar thing with Jack Nicholson - prior to the 'Here's Johnny' Scene.
I think - as a Director, if you are known and have a good track record - you can get away with pretty much anything with actors. An unknown would just stick to the rules.
Think Hitchcock did similar to Tippi Hedren in The Birds back in'63, deliberately unsettling her.
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Post by Sparky on May 9, 2021 14:01:02 GMT
With Quadrophenia - that used many volunteers for the fight scene, it wasn't easy to control them all.
I did a job 5 or 6 years ago for the BBC, much of it was shot in a Secondary School during the autumn 1/2 term - and the BBC (in their wisdom) invited the school to provide 150 odd mixed age/sex Pupils and Staff as extras to fill up the school hall, playground and generally be around.
For the Director and First & 2nd ADs, It was a pain in the backside keeping control of them all, as their level of film making stopped at wandering around with a mobile phone. And the process was quite tedious.
Many didn't understand why something as simple as a group of kids walking into school would take most of the morning to shoot.
With the film, "The Shining" - in the scene where actress Shelley Duval runs out in the snow to the maze - Kubrik on purposely wound up Duval -during previous takes he'd stop her mid performance, constantly, until she was literally seething. So when she runs out of that door into the snow - seething, screaming - it's a real reaction. It's all that aggression coming out in her character.
He did a similar thing with Jack Nicholson - prior to the 'Here's Johnny' Scene.
I think - as a Director, if you are known and have a good track record - you can get away with pretty much anything with actors. An unknown would just stick to the rules.
Think Hitchcock did similar to Tippi Hedren in The Birds back in'63, deliberately unsettling her. These days it'd be seen as bullying in the workplace.
Thing is, when this has happened with more experienced actors and directors - the actor is usually pretty pleased with their performance when they watch the rushes - and are amazed that the Director managed to coax it out of them. I think it's a trust thing.
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Post by Steve Austin on May 15, 2021 15:53:55 GMT
1972 film "All Coppers Are" is on this channel tomight at 9.50pm. Watch out for a few Sweeney faces as well as Devid Essex, Robin Askwith and Queenie Watts.
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Post by Steve Austin on May 15, 2021 21:35:14 GMT
1972 film "All Coppers Are" is on this channel tomight at 9.50pm. Watch out for a few Sweeney faces as well as Devid Essex, Robin Askwith and Queenie Watts. The incidental music in the is also featured in the “Bless This House” film, I guess Eric Rogers thought no one would notice.
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Post by Gene Hunt on May 15, 2021 21:39:01 GMT
1972 film "All Coppers Are" is on this channel tomight at 9.50pm. Watch out for a few Sweeney faces as well as Devid Essex, Robin Askwith and Queenie Watts. The incidental music in the is also featured in the “Bless This House” film, I guess Eric Rogers thought no one would notice. Well spotted Steven. Oscar must have upgraded the old circuitry eh?
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Post by Arthur Pringle on May 17, 2021 18:12:17 GMT
Funny you should mention Eric Rogers music as I was watching 'Nurse On Wheels' on tptv, a Carry On type film before there were Carry On films & was thinking how his music sounds more or the less the same in every film he scores. His scores for non comedy films like 'Revenge', 'Assault' & 'All Coppers Are' still manage to have a 'Carry On' feel to them.
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Post by Charles Bronson on May 18, 2021 21:49:49 GMT
Tonight I was watching the second episode of a series called 'One step Beyond' which deals with the paranormal. Patrick Macnee was one of the lead actors in tonight's story. (Made two years before his debut in The Avengers.) In the story Patrick's fiancee has been having vivid frightening dreams of being on a sinking ship. A few days later Patrick announced to her that he'd booked a trip to New York on the Titanic. Apparently, there were several people who had premonitions of disaster. Some people would not sail on the ship due to these feelings of an impending tragedy. The series claims that the stories have a factual basis.
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Post by Steve Austin on Jun 30, 2021 9:35:19 GMT
There’s an interesting short feature on TPTV tomorrow at 6:30pm called “MGB On Overdrive”. Made in 1968, it’s a factual short film highlighting how overdrive gets you more MPG!
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Post by The Saint on Aug 14, 2021 10:22:45 GMT
A great film on tonight, at 10.25pm The Firechasers from 1971 starring Keith Barron.
Earlier this evening at 8.40pm All Coppers Are, starring Nicky Henson and David Essex from 1971 is worth a viewing.
At 7.05pm Snowball, starring Gordon Jackson and a very young Dennis Waterman looks interesting too.
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