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Post by Del Boy on Aug 20, 2019 21:25:01 GMT
Fantastic stuff Sparky. As a viewer to see ATV drop out overnight was strange. The above meddling you mention is disgusting but not surprising. I concur, get the people concerned into 101 immediately. Thanks in advance for taking the time to scan a few bit s for us to peruse. I certainly look forward to viewing the snaps and reading a dedicated ATV thread.
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Aug 20, 2019 22:17:24 GMT
The deregulation of ITV has proved disastrous but I think it was bound to happen. People complain about the BBC- the license fee, the huge fees of some of the presenters, etc., but you can never imagine it going down the toilet quite like commercial tv has. Once you rely on advertising & sponsorship you're compromised, whether it's tv, sport or anything else, you're obliged to dance to the tune of the money men. At least the BBC is in the hands of the public & they've every right to complain if their money isn't being spent on quality programmes.
As much as I like talkingpicturestv, I do get sick & tired of the constant mention of Dormeo mattresses
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Post by Sparky on Aug 21, 2019 7:16:09 GMT
The deregulation of ITV has proved disastrous but I think it was bound to happen. People complain about the BBC- the license fee, the huge fees of some of the presenters, etc., but you can never imagine it going down the toilet quite like commercial tv has. Once you rely on advertising & sponsorship you're compromised, whether it's tv, sport or anything else, you're obliged to dance to the tune of the money men. At least the BBC is in the hands of the public & they've every right to complain if their money isn't being spent on quality programmes.
As much as I like talkingpicturestv, I do get sick & tired of the constant mention of Dormeo mattresses From memory, there didn't seem to be a great publicity campaign about the start of Central; a few bits in the local papers popped up, and it was mentioned a couple of times in the local news. All I can remember is getting up on the 1/1/82, switching on the TV and finding ATV had vanished!
I agree with Arthur, once you rely on advertising and sponsorship - you are obliged to do what the money men say.
Sport is a classic example of that - where they are re-arranging major sporting events to suit TV schedules.
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Post by Cartman on Aug 21, 2019 7:59:23 GMT
In sport it manifests itself by calling sports stadiums and football grounds horrible corporate names. The more recent New grounds don't actually have proper names at all and a few of the old established ones have been given these awful tags, however in those cases they can be ignored and fans continue to refer to them by their proper title. The new ones, unfortunately, you can't
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Post by Dirty Epic on Aug 21, 2019 8:48:58 GMT
In sport it manifests itself by calling sports stadiums and football grounds horrible corporate names. The more recent New grounds don't actually have proper names at all and a few of the old established ones have been given these awful tags, however in those cases they can be ignored and fans continue to refer to them by their proper title. The new ones, unfortunately, you can't Not a big football fan by any means but give me the grounds with character like Maine Road and Highbury over the Etihad and Emirates (sic) Stadium's any day of the week Carty. Didn't Newcastle United's infamous owner Mike Ashley wanted St James's Park to be called something else to do with Sports Direct too, until fan pressure stopped him in his tracks...
Yes I've seen a bit about the plight of Bury and to some extent where is this 'good for the game' rhetoric we get from the Premier League, FA, Sky etc. certainly/sadly isn't filtering down to them! To a lesser extent the same is true about Bolton Wanderer's too although they chased the Premier League dream for a few years, got burned and contributed to their own downfall in some respects. Sadly can see Bury, Bolton, Oldham etc. going the way of Stockport County in the non-league or worse bust which is a shame as these clubs on Manchester's Lancashire fringes did have considerable support for them.
The 'Class of '92' may have good intentions in creating Salford City but why didn't they look at putting their money into these established clubs rather than creating in essence what will be a de-facto feeder/'B-Team' for the big boys and distorting things in the Football League? Fair enough they might not support or have attachment to the likes of Bury etc. but I'd much sooner see them survive than having in future 'B-Team's' in the lower divisions.
I suppose it could become a similar situation to what's happening in F1 right now where Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault have de-facto B-Team's in the form of Racing Point/Williams (Merc), Alfa Romeo/Haas (Ferrari), Toro Rosso (Red Bull) and to some extent McLaren (Renault) which they can feed off each other.
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Post by Sam Tyler on Aug 21, 2019 8:53:03 GMT
In sport it manifests itself by calling sports stadiums and football grounds horrible corporate names. The more recent New grounds don't actually have proper names at all and a few of the old established ones have been given these awful tags, however in those cases they can be ignored and fans continue to refer to them by their proper title. The new ones, unfortunately, you can't Sadly it is a reflection of the sponsorship and commercialisation that is gradually creeping into all walks of life these days.
Annie has spotted it too and mentioned it to me only last night back home at "4:3 TV - The Retro Channel House".
Sam.
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Post by Dirty Epic on Aug 21, 2019 10:13:03 GMT
Viacom ? I've heard of it of course. Its an American company isn't it? I'm not happy about an American company owning one of our terrestrial channels, but that's the way things have gone now. You've the "1990 Broadcasting Act" introduced by Mrs T's government to thank for that. Until then our TV was properly regulated - OK, some changes to move with the times should have been included - though on the whole, it was introduced to free up the market for various bigger fish companies to jump on the gravy train.
In particular, ITV - had it's 14 or so regional companies; each company earned it's own revenue via programme sales and advertising, each company paid a subscription to fund ITN, Channel 4 and fund the IBA to look after the transmitters. Companies were forbidden to use product placement, sponsorship and also - where larger companies had other media groups (Mirror Group, DC Thompson etc) tied in - they couldn't swallow up all the smaller fish to make one large company... After this bill was introduced, this was all relaxed - and any big fish with cash could buy in (As Carlton did) and strip assets.
This also included, giving permission to foreign producers to also buy in...
And we end up with what we have now...
BBC = Nothing more than a TV channel run by your local Council ITV1 =ITV Gone. Living off the ratings from Emmerdale & Coronation St and past successes - while trying to be the big US Producer - but without the budget.
Brilliant post Sparky and fully agree with everything you say there. It must have been frustrating for you seeing this happen within the industry too.
Between the lines the purpose of the 1990 Broadcasting Act has worked out as intended. The regulation (IBA) in independent television has been pretty much removed and this pretty much allowed the likes of Murdoch’s News Corp who with friendly cross-party assistance to build up Sky as a major force to challenge the established ITV/C4 hierarchy and to some extent the BBC as well. Once established Sky set an agenda where the likes of sports, movie channels and dumbed down television became popular and ITV/C4 for a while in the 1990’s were a bit side tracked and left behind by this and had to alter their output to compete with it.
Said this before the main thing which changed ITV was Thames losing their franchise and Carlton entering the fray who had tried a few years earlier to break into the television sector. Sadly Carlton’s output wasn’t anywhere near up to scratch as Thames was and Thames suddenly found themselves as outsider independent producers selling programmes/programme ideas to ITV at a disadvantage to established ITV companies like Carlton. As you know Sparky Carlton got savvy and quickly started acquiring rival ITV companies with the main acquisition being Central who had a reasonably decent programme portfolio I suppose any ITV company would want to have back then. What should have been the safeguard in the 1990 Broadcasting Act should’ve been to limit no one company to own more than two ITV franchises and not to have them in overlapping area’s (i.e. Granada and Yorkshire). Carlton could have still got Central under this criteria but wouldn’t have allowed them, Granada and STV to swallow everything up by the early 2000’s to create ITV.plc where virtually the competitive, creative and regional nature of ITV is now long gone in pursuit of competing with Sky and others for the market for Soaps, Reality TV etc. which brought it the revenue it was lacking for a decade or so and enabled it to compete and pitch in with other film, TV and media outlets like the BBC, Sky, Netflix, Amazon.prime etc.
The most interesting aspect of ITV’s strategy has been the creation of ITV Studio’s which sells and distributes programming for a variety of companies (i.e. Fox, Lionsgate, Freemantle, Discovery etc.) around the world. In that sense ITV has been very successful in selling/acquiring the likes of X-Factor/’Idol’/’Got Talent’, Love Island, Hells Kitchen, Real Housewives… etc. and selling it’s soap and drama output which again has seen ITV embark on a revenue stream strategy. In the terms of drama this is either importing things from abroad or making the mostly period output itself – Downton Abbey particularly, which again enables it to sell a ‘image’ of Britain abroad rather than the truer vision. But they bring in the money and the BBC, ITV etc. will continue to make these while that continues – you’d hardly imagine a US audience taking to say Made In Britain or Sense of Freedom but they would a Jane Austen adaptation. There is a place for this kind of stuff yet it seems to be the main focus of British TV drama for the last +20 years at the expense of more hard-hitting one off drama’s which don’t sell abroad and/or things like Armchair Theatre, The Sweeney, Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, etc. They’d would hardly have a hope of getting commissioned nowadays let alone actually getting beyond Series 1.
For people who don’t want this output the nature of things has created the multi-channel world where you can find classic shows on there – albeit edited and a few good things do appear on the mainstream channels from time to time. But we’ve seen it all before and where are the new things which could be made now and be just as good as this? For me it seems everything today is made with a target marketplace involved. Particularly this is to make a profit and if neither of these are reached they don’t gain momentum as opposed to the glut of seen it all before programming we get now… modern ITV is the main offender in turning things into what we have today.
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Post by Steve Austin on Aug 25, 2019 12:53:17 GMT
I've seen the phrase "living my best life" a few times on Instagram, what the hell does that mean? When I'm in charge there's going to be some changes
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Post by Arthur Pringle on Aug 25, 2019 14:24:04 GMT
All that kind of sentiment strikes me as very insecure, I think if you have to tell yourself you're having a good time then you're probably not having one. Same with all these trite fortune cookie type slogans people post all over social media, my sister has that sign in her home that reads 'Live, Love, Laugh'. I look at it & it makes me feel depressed Like when people tell you to 'cheer up'
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Post by Villain on Aug 25, 2019 15:18:24 GMT
I've seen the phrase "living my best life" a few times on Instagram, what the hell does that mean? When I'm in charge there's going to be some changes See also : ''be the best version of yourself you can be''. Pass the sick bag, quick...! Villain
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